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    Re: 4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

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    And this would be different from every other sport how?
    CFB is my favorite sport. I don't want it to be like other sports. I would rather other sports become more like CFB.

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    Funny thing is that people will use this argument to say that a playoff will ruin college football. But what's the one sport that we all say has a messed up post season process? NCAA basketball? Nope. NCAA baseball? Nope. NBA, NFL, NHL? No.
    What do those sports have in common? I don't watch them until the postseason (except NHL, which I don't watch at all).


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    If the current system is bad and a playoff isn't the answer.....then please provide a solution.
    We have won three of four national championships. CFB is one of my favorite things in life. It brings my family together, it gives me and my son something to bond over, and it is just plain fun. Remind me what is wrong? Oh yeah, the SEC keeps winning. Forgive me for being uninterested in trying to "fix" that.

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    Re: 4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

    I don't think the current system is bad. 1 plays 2 for the championship. What more do you need? The regular season is important. Every weekend counts and the two teams that performed the best for the entire season are rewarded. I love that college football is different than all the other sports. I've watched 3 basketball games this year. Never watch a regular season nba game. Maybe 2-3 baseball games til the post season. NFL teams with 7 losses get in... Yet on every saturday, I watch college football from 9 am til the last PAC 12 game ends after midnight. Just worried that it won't be the same. But we'll have to wait and see.

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    Re: 4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

    Okay.

    Argument one: "It ruins the regular season. I don't watch these other sports anyways."

    Ummm...yeah. Every other sport is fine, so that stops the first part. The second has no bearing. The reason most people HERE don't watch other sports is because you grew up in Alabama where there IS only one sport. For most people this is like a country finally moving out of the dark ages.

    Argument two: "They'll just put two SEC teams together in the first round"

    You give conspiracy too much credit. Last year, had there been a playoff, LSU and Bama wouldn't have played in a semifinal. If the teams are a clear one and two, they'll get split. If they aren't, who cares? If you're in, you're in. Who you play first should be secondary to your goal.

    Argument 3: "They'll just make it conference champions."

    Not gonna happen. Between the SEC and Notre Dame, you don't have to worry with that.

    Argument 4: "it's working. We always win. CNS said..."

    One day the current system will hiccup and not work for us (see Auburn 2004). This almost assures an SEC team being in the championship. Next, if we win it all now...we should do the same then. Having extra time to prepare still gives us an advantage. Finally, I've heard CNS say he was fine with the playoff. I think he believes his teams should get in every year, and once that happens he's confident his can beat theirs..

    I think most arguments are much ado about nothing...

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    4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

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    We don't know what we don't know. I agree with Krazy in that I think they will do everything they can to keep 2 SEC tems out.
    Yeah, but it's really up to the teams to take advantage when they get it. K State and Oregon both stumbled when they had it. They'll have no choice in the matter.


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    Re: 4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

    I'll be the guy in the middle both sides turn on.

    Let's talk ruined regular seasons - namely, baseball. I'm 43. I remember when we had these strange things called pennant races. But they came up with the wildcard, making the regular season semi-meaningless. Then they came up with the additional wildcard and made it completely meaningless. In 1993, the Braves & Giants put on a pennant race for the ages and I watched 94 regular season baseball games of the Braves.

    I don't think I've watched 94 regular season games if you added them all up since then because they're pointless. And you can't say it's because the Braves stunk; they won the division every year from 1991 to 2005. So please don't tell me expanding a playoff does not water down a regular season because it does.

    Let me prove it to you - how many Tide fans would have watched Oregon- USC or Kansas St-Baylor if you knew 16 teams would square off? Almost none of you because it would not have affected us. How many would have watched Iowa St-Okie St last year? Nearly none, it wouldn't have mattered.

    The flip side - my beef with the BCS - is that nonsense is still nonsense no matter who says it. When a computer can still say after a 28-point shellacking that Notre Dame ranks ahead of us, it is a sick joke to use that computer for anything. Same with those that ranked Okie St number 2 after their loss to Iowa St.

    And a team should not start with an inherent rankings advantage by virtue of preseason hype, either. Had we run the table in 2005, we'd have been on the outside looking in because USC and Texas started 1-2 based on hype.

    We must have a head to head matchup rather than the old multiple champs nonsense. Four teams is a fair compromise but all they need to do is use the flawed polls and take the top four. The polls are not THAT skewed and at least a team that started outside the rankings could get to number four by winning out.

    I got into it with Andy Staples on Twitter over a similar thing. He ranked aTm ahead of Notre Dame. No real problem there. But he also ranked Oregon ahead of Stanford. Listen to the convoluted logic of an AP voter:

    He voted aTm ahead of the Irish bc if they played he thinks aTm would win. Fair enough. But shouldn't Stanford - by that logic - be ahead of Oregon since they DID win? Nope, Stanford had more losses (so did aTm). But at least if it were a top four this would matter less.
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    Re: 4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

    Here's the bump in current CFB logic that just baffles me:

    The champion of the season should be primarily based on who's the best team right now and the date of your loss.

    Makes zero sense to me. We hear every year about NCAA tourney teams that got hot at the end of the year but didn't make it in. The Houston Texans finished weak but their body of work for the season still earned them an opportunity to win their way to the SB.

    Personally, I've long been in favor of a 12-16 team format for CFB. I'd love to see smaller schools get their piece of the pie. How about if NIU had played and beat ND?? Certainly feasible, all things considered. I think that would've been good for CFB.
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    Re: 4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

    This year if we had a playoff... ('Swami Sez'...)
    #1 ND. faces #3 or #4
    #2 AL. faces #3 or #4
    ND would likely have been beaten in the first round of the playoffs. (EXPOSED TO THE WORLD...)

    If it were done by giving weight to conference champions, it would have been a confusing cluster, which would only result in leaving out a better team.

    This year is a perfect example of teams from some conferences looking like world beaters,
    until they play someone from a stronger conference.
    That was always our argument against using conference championships
    for the top four teams.
    The ND argument was made that they chose to be Independent (Ancient history)

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    You still need to go by some formula to arrive at 1-4.
    If not BCS then how ya gonna choose?

    WHO GETS LEFT OUT?
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    Re: 4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentAntiOrange View Post
    Here's the bump in current CFB logic that just baffles me:

    The champion of the season should be primarily based on who's the best team right now and the date of your loss.

    Makes zero sense to me. We hear every year about NCAA tourney teams that got hot at the end of the year but didn't make it in. The Houston Texans finished weak but their body of work for the season still earned them an opportunity to win their way to the SB.

    Personally, I've long been in favor of a 12-16 team format for CFB. I'd love to see smaller schools get their piece of the pie. How about if NIU had played and beat ND?? Certainly feasible, all things considered. I think that would've been good for CFB.
    You're right about the loss and I've made this point. In 1983 there were five one-loss teams in the final poll. Miami got the title because they lost game one; Nebraska and Texas lost it because they lost their bowl games. Georgia beat Texas but lost out because Auburn beat them. Auburn lost to Texas but beat Georgia. Auburn beat Florida who beat Miami.

    Yet only the losses by Nebraska & Texas really meant much.

    The BCS does fix that to a degree.
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    Re: 4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

    Has any explanation been given to how the whole thing will work. Here's what I understand at this point.

    Some group picks four teams for the playoffs and are matched up in some manner. I assume they will play in what we now call BCS games. (Sugar, Rose, Fiesta, Orange) or sold out to high bidding sites like the Peach Bowl (Yeah, I know what its called now) or Jerry World. Then the winners will meet in a game similar to the current BCSCG, an extra game played alongside an existing bowl game.

    Is this close to what will happen? Will some attempt be made to send the SEC champ to the Sugar Bowl if they are hosting a semifinal game or the Pac 12/Big Ten teams to the rose if they are in it? And how will the new Champions Bowl between the SEC and Big XII champs if they aren't both in the playoffs or aren't paired in the semifinals figure in to all this?

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    4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

    I think they will revisit the idea of having #1 and #2 host games at their home stadium. I could see very poor attendance at sites that could be clear across the country one week and a championship in another location a week later. Do it like the pros. It would be a lot more practical for fans.

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    Re: 4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

    The playoff games won't be bowls per se... the actual Sugar Bowl will still exist, though. The bowls will rotate hosting the semifinal games, so when they are in the rotation they have no conference alignment. When not in rotation it will match an SEC team vs s Big12 team (per new contract agreement). That will be the top team not in the "playoffs". This year, assuming the Sugar bowl wasn't in rotation, Alabama and Florida get in the semifinal "bowl"... Georgia would have played in the Sugar... More money for the SEC now, as there aren't any "limits" on what is now 6 major "Bowls" + 1

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    Re: 4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

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    NCAA basketball? Nope. NCAA baseball? Nope. NBA, NFL, NHL? No.

    If the current system is bad and a playoff isn't the answer.....then please provide a solution.
    First off, the current system isn't bad. Or are you going to say it is? I mean, it's just terrible that Alabama has won three out of four. Bad, unforgivable, clearly an indication that something is seriously wrong. I mean, what's with this whole most deserving team actually winning championships? That never happens, clearly something is wrong.

    Anyway, let's see... college football is more popular than the NBA, NHL, NCAA basketball, and NCAA baseball. If it's wrong I guess they shouldn't want to be right.

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    Re: 4 team Play-off this year. Who's in?

    I would say the NBA is more popular country wide, imo. NCAA Basketball tournament games are also typically viewed in higher numbers then most college football games...

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