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    Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success...

    I know this is an old and tired argument still used by all the Bama-haters out there, but as someone that is strictly a layman when it comes to understanding the whole oversigning/gray-shirting process, I'd be interested in hearing some informed, intelligently written rebuttals to this claim by some of you that understand it better so that I can properly respond when this is constantly brought up with some college football enthusiast/ acquaintances that I have.

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    Re: Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success.

    "SCOREBOARD" is as much analysis as this criticism warrants.
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    Re: Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success.

    I refute nothing. If that is their idea about why we win, they're stupid to begin with and arguing with them is pointless.


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    Re: Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success.

    I would probably respond with just, "Yeah, it's awesome. Three out of four. You should try it."

    2009:
    28 signees
    3 exhausted eligibility (Kirkpatrick, Richardson, and Carpenter)
    16 still on roster
    9 have left (via injury, transfer, etc.)
    19/28 = 68%

    2010:
    26 signees
    2 exhausted eligibility (B. Lewis and Dequan Menzie)
    18 still on roster
    1 didn't qualify (Alfy Hill)
    5 have left (Carswell, Grant, Malone, P Sims, Williams)
    20/25 = 80% (ignoring Hill)

    I don't know results from other teams, but from our 2009 and 2010 classes, almost 70% and 80% seem to me like very good "retention" numbers.

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    Re: Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success.

    i think you misinterpreted his question

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    Re: Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success.

    1. All teams are allowed a maximum total # of scholarship players on the active roster (Bama can't exceed that # with grayshirts)

    2. All teams are allowed to have a total of 25 players per class. Some can backcount to the older class (we have some guys who just enrolled that count toward the 2012 class, rather than 2013, but the 2013 class cannot have more than 25 attributed to it); some guys don't qualify and until recently, Bama would let a kid sign with us who looked like he was 99% likely headed to JUCO (Belue; or look at Ole Miss when they signed 35+; most of those guys weren't close to qualifying).

    3. Like every team, we've had players leave either for personal or medical reasons. Attrition happens at every school and our attrition rate isn't as bad as the barn's. So if this is the basis for the argument, then the barn should have won 3 out of 4 titles, rather than us.

    4. I think there's an advantage to grayshirting some guys that need development, but we've probably grayshirted less than 10 total kids since CNS has been here. But for some prospects, having them enroll a semester later helps them get acclimated to college life and college football (S&C work mainly).

    The basic argument is that Bama has to comply with the 85/25 scholly rules just like everyone else. We haven't grayshirted many kids and if they were, they weren't the guys going pro after 3 years. We have "oversigned" in the sense we have had more than 25 kids sign an LOI on NSD, but are still bound by the 85/25 rule: we back count (like all other programs) and some kids didn't qualify academically (like all other programs).

    Honestly, ppl who make this argument are just looking for a reason to hate on Bama because we are not even close to the worst culprits of oversigning, so your argument may fall on deaf ears.
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    Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success...

    I have said this before and I will say it again. There is no such thing as oversigning, period. There are rules in place that prevent it.

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    Re: Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success.

    Lord, not that old tired argument again..... Geeeezzzzzz


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    Re: Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success.

    I'm am pretty sure the NCAA requires Alabama and every other member institution to send in copies of every scholarship that is signed and they keep track of how many are on scholarship at any given time.

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    Re: Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success.

    We follow the same rules that every other team must follow, so I wouldn't respond to their claims at all, if I were you. Just smile and enjoy the ride that we are on right now.

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    Re: Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success.

    You will never change the minds of people like this. You will talk in circles and your only accomplishment will be the management of your own frustration.

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    Re: Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success.

    When they get through with greyshirting, oversigining, and processing players, they turn to steroids and other PEDs. It accomplished nothing to tell them that we have independent labs testing for all PEDs. Once the paranoia grows to the degree I've seen it on the ND sites, you're talking to people who are irrational. They have to explain their failure in some way. It can't be the obvious - better players, better coaching, better facilities, better S&C. No, it must be something totally unfair. Oh, forgot their academic excellence. (gag)...
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    Re: Refuting the Claim that Bama Has Oversigned and Gray-shirted It's Way to Success.

    Thanks for the info, guys. I know sometimes it's just best to laugh, shakes ones head, and walk away when this is brought up, but when I'm dealing with someone that's totally ignorant but open to being persuaded of the truth then I like to have some ammo to throw back at them.

    Thanks again.
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