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    Re: Toughest Schedules for 2013

    Tennessee has front-loaded their schedule for years. Furthermore, they are IMHO the best in the SEC at scheduling quality OOC games (LSU 2nd, us 3rd). That said - they're in a fix and I don't care.
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    Re: Toughest Schedules for 2013

    In terms of recruiting, Tennessee is a bit landlocked, so to speak, given developments beyond their control.

    The State of Tennessee has never turned out a great deal of talent, and in recent decades Tennessee has always been heavily reliant on going into border states, which was not a major issue, given that the State of Tennessee borders nine other states. UT typically did well enough in-state, and then went into Alabama, Georgia, the Carolinas, and up into the Ohio River valley to get talent, and that strategy generally worked really well. Fulmer used it to perfection in his heyday.

    The problem for Tennessee in recent years, however, has been the rise of programs in those surrounding border states. Alabama is at all-time high, Auburn has done really well the past 10-12 years, ditto for Georgia, Clemson recruiting has been strong, and South Carolina is also at an all-time high. Incidentally, the return-to-power of Ohio State this decade has locked up much of the Ohio River Valley, and several other programs have made significant in-roads into the mid-Atlantic region. Combined it all worked to really limit their recruiting base.

    Look at it this way, kids like Tee Martin, Fred Weary, and Joey Kent (Alabama), Jamal Lewis (Georgia), Albert Haynesworth (South Carolina), and Peerless Price (Ohio), aren't saying no to the Mike Duboses, Terry Bowdens, Ray Goffs, and Brad Scotts of the college football world and signing with Tennessee anymore. They are saying no to the Vols and signing with Saban, Spurrier, Richt, Meyer, etc.

    Again, events beyond their control have really limited their recruiting base, and it has hurt them significantly.

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    Re: Toughest Schedules for 2013

    Phat Phil is available for consulting to get them over this hump.

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    Re: Toughest Schedules for 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Alasippi View Post
    At A@M in game two is going to be extremely difficult but it beats playing them the week after LSU.
    We're actually at TAMU in week three; we have a BYE in week two to prepare for them.
    ...They better be ready for us, because I believe that we'll be much more prepared for them this time around. They aren't going to suprise us again.

    BTW: We have a BYE week before our two toughest games; TAMU and LSU....thats just perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uafan4life View Post
    All I know is that I'm definitely not complaining about our schedule this year! We've had some tough ones in the past - remember 2010, anyone? - but you couldn't plan a better schedule for a BCS CG run for us than the one we have this year.

    I love it! Our schedule couldn't have been any better if I drew it up myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Bama View Post
    A lot of Tennessee is closer to Tuscaloosa than Knoxville. I grew up in Fayetteville, TN. Most of white collar Fayetteville works in Huntsville. Still, Lincoln county bleeds orange as does most of Tennessee.

    Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Alabama are all geographically closer to west Tennessee than Knoxville is. Jackson, TN has good high school football.

    It's always been a mystery to me why the Vols didn't recruit middle Tennessee heavier than what they do. The people there bleed orange. Murfreesboro, Franklin (Brentwood Academy), and Gallatin routinely have great high school football, but UT a lot of these guys wind up somewhere other than UT.
    Go Bama I've lived in Fayetteville now for about 22 years and there are a lot more
    Bama fans now than it use to be. I teach here at the high school and you see lots
    of Bama gear. Maybe it's just the trendy thing to do after 3 out of the last 4.

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    Re: Toughest Schedules for 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by BigEasyTider View Post
    In terms of recruiting, Tennessee is a bit landlocked, so to speak, given developments beyond their control.

    The State of Tennessee has never turned out a great deal of talent, and in recent decades Tennessee has always been heavily reliant on going into border states, which was not a major issue, given that the State of Tennessee borders nine other states. UT typically did well enough in-state, and then went into Alabama, Georgia, the Carolinas, and up into the Ohio River valley to get talent, and that strategy generally worked really well. Fulmer used it to perfection in his heyday.

    The problem for Tennessee in recent years, however, has been the rise of programs in those surrounding border states. Alabama is at all-time high, Auburn has done really well the past 10-12 years, ditto for Georgia, Clemson recruiting has been strong, and South Carolina is also at an all-time high. Incidentally, the return-to-power of Ohio State this decade has locked up much of the Ohio River Valley, and several other programs have made significant in-roads into the mid-Atlantic region. Combined it all worked to really limit their recruiting base.

    Look at it this way, kids like Tee Martin, Fred Weary, and Joey Kent (Alabama), Jamal Lewis (Georgia), Albert Haynesworth (South Carolina), and Peerless Price (Ohio), aren't saying no to the Mike Duboses, Terry Bowdens, Ray Goffs, and Brad Scotts of the college football world and signing with Tennessee anymore. They are saying no to the Vols and signing with Saban, Spurrier, Richt, Meyer, etc.

    Again, events beyond their control have really limited their recruiting base, and it has hurt them significantly.
    Because the button just isn't enough: As a longtime UT hater, I "like" this post.

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    Re: Toughest Schedules for 2013

    When I lived there I always got a chuckle about how they'd brag how tough the Vols were in November. Well, when you have Kentucky and Vandy, that's a good start toward sweeping the month.

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    Re: Toughest Schedules for 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Bama View Post
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    The Vols may be buried. Tennessee is not a fertile recruiting ground. They used to get a lot of guys from South Carolina and those guys are staying home now. Vandy may be on the way to being consistently competitive. UT has to play USCe, Georgia, Florida, and Bama every year. It's going to be hard for the Vols to dig their way out of this hole created by Fat Phil and Little Laney. It seems to me the AD's at UT aren't willing to pay enough money for a top tier coach. Tickets are easy to come by in Knoxville.

    It's funny, I live in west Tennessee and see almost as much Bama gear as I do UT. The Vols are now a closet nation. Most Vols fans have never heard of Butch Jones.

    This is the biggest mess the UT football program has seen in my lifetime. I'm torn because I've always hated the Vols but I went to graduate school at UT. Tennessee is a great place to live. In an ideal world, Vandy becomes the premier program in Tennessee.
    Interesting observation about Bama gear in western TN. The plain fact of the matter is that TN, as a state, is relatively poor in African American population. We're not going to get into a discussion of why the AA population supplies the bulk of the best FBS players - that's a topic for the NS board. However, it's a fact of life. Nashville is a 1.5 million or so SMA and is somewhere around 25% AA. Memphis' SMA is over 40% AA. TN, as a whole, was only around 16% AA in 2000. That shows you where the AA population isn't - the rest of TN. Except for a few periods where we've shot ourselves in the foot in the Memphis area, UA has done very well there. So has Ole Miss. So, in the end, UT's recruiting problem goes back to being a demographic one. In the periods in which UT has been successful, it has recruited in the surrounding states, while adding some national recruits. In fact, I used to read on UT sites witty remarks about the number of highly-rated prospects they were over-flying on their way to CA or other points north and west. However, that's largely in the past, at this point. It'll be interesting to see if they can climb out of this hole, given the increased competition they now face in their bordering states...
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    Re: Toughest Schedules for 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by bamafaninOhiO View Post
    We're actually at TAMU in week three; we have a BYE in week two to prepare for them.
    ...They better be ready for us, because I believe that we'll be much more prepared for them this time around. They aren't going to suprise us again.

    BTW: We have a BYE week before our two toughest games; TAMU and LSU....thats just perfect.
    This is all semantics I know, but his post says "game two," not "week two."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Interesting observation about Bama gear in western TN. The plain fact of the matter is that TN, as a state, is relatively poor in African American population. We're not going to get into a discussion of why the AA population supplies the bulk of the best FBS players - that's a topic for the NS board. However, it's a fact of life. Nashville is a 1.5 million or so SMA and is somewhere around 25% AA. Memphis' SMA is over 40% AA. TN, as a whole, was only around 16% AA in 2000. That shows you where the AA population isn't - the rest of TN. Except for a few periods where we've shot ourselves in the foot in the Memphis area, UA has done very well there. So has Ole Miss. So, in the end, UT's recruiting problem goes back to being a demographic one. In the periods in which UT has been successful, it has recruited in the surrounding states, while adding some national recruits. In fact, I used to read on UT sites witty remarks about the number of highly-rated prospects they were over-flying on their way to CA or other points north and west. However, that's largely in the past, at this point. It'll be interesting to see if they can climb out of this hole, given the increased competition they now face in their bordering states...
    I heard it mentioned on talk shows in K-ville a couple times one of their issues in recruiting was that east Tennessee and UT's campus were very white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    I heard it mentioned on talk shows in K-ville a couple times one of their issues in recruiting was that east Tennessee and UT's campus were very white.
    Well, Auburn's campus is overwhelmingly white, so there are ways to overcome that obstacle. In fact, they may be using the same ways...
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    Re: Toughest Schedules for 2013

    Georgia opens with Clemson and South Carolina.Thats a couple of tough ones to start.

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