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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    Then explain the Cam situation. They hammered other programs with less proof.

    They did every underhanded and unethical tactic against Alabama, and threatened to do worse. Something changed, but it's a little late isn't it? Now, it makes Alabama's punishment that much more pointless. They can't even say they used Alabama as an example anymore, now the example is you can shop your kid, and you can break the rules so long as the NCAA can't make you admit to doing it.

    I hate the NCAA, but the NCAA policy is turning into don't ask don't tell. I swear someone there is like look, the only way to stop Nick Saban's recruiting is to buy recruits. It's like one more way for the NCAA to get Alabama, heh...
    How am I supposed to explain the $cam situation other than *U lawyered-up? It appears someone in Miami did the same, but this time they had something more which prompted the NCAA to investigate itself, as it were. That something was the NCAA appears to have crossed legal bounds and is afraid of the potential legal consequences.

    Alabama's case is completely different in some respects, but the lawyers in the group can probably better answer if legal lines may have been crossed there. Problem is that even if they did cross legal bounds in our case the Alabama staff at the time basically fell on their sword.

    IMHO, *U showed the way in how to beat an NCAA investigation and it appears Miami may have perfected it, with the NCAA's help. No one at UA was willing to put up that kind of fight. Perhaps they were afraid of further retaliation after the previous case with them. Maybe they were just inept. Whatever the case, the NCAA has gotten itself in quite the mess this time.
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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

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    Tulane is holding for you on line 2...

    I love it! I hadn't even factored in the Louisiana legal system! Honey, pack the kids, we're moving now.

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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

    So if they decide to revisit the Albert Means case, we should get all our recruits back spread out over the next three years plus money missed from the bowl bans even though we still played Hawaii? Makes sense to me.
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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

    The Means case is why I don't trust the NCAA & Hate 10RC.

    The deal with Slime to save Cammy was just one of many crocked things the NCAA has done.

    But don't confuse the Miami situation with Bama's. Fulmer & Kramer were going to bring down Bama at all cost, Miami has only its own to blame for its troubles.

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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

    Speaking of Fulmer , NCAA should hire him to go snoop around . I'm sure he could fabricate something for them !

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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

    This guy doesn't like the NCAA, and believes the whole Miami investigation needs to be tossed out the window. It could happen.

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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

    I wonder how the NCAA expects to get schools to cooperate. Boogville University provided the road map to escape NCAA punishment and as I predicted other schools have followed suit creating a new cottage industry of NCAA legal defense teams (Gene Marsh is smiling right now). The NCAA punished Penn State for issues they have no authority to regulate, and ignore the obvious and let *U win a national championship almost everyone universally dismisses as tainted. They now say that they must adhere to their own weak rules of evidence to find and punish rule breakers. So the NCAA has finally grown a conscience, but I have to wonder why now? Their investigators have bullied, and threatened kids as well as universities for years with no repercussions. If the NCAA had to abide by their own rules, we would have never had the dark days of the Means investigation which went on for years.

    Usually the NCAA makes decisions based on money and politics, but now they are sending mixed messages as to how they want to regulate "amateurism", schools and college athletics in general. One one hand they are bellowing that schools need to punished more severely for breaking the rules on major violations and then on the other they are saying that they have no real authority to actually investigate or even gather evidence. I am sure Mark Emmert is a smart man, but the actions of the NCAA in the past 3 years has done nothing but weaken the organization to the point where they are nothing more than the organizer of a basketball tournament. The University presidents need to wise up and eliminate the NCAA altogether. They need to create an organization that regulates all sports not just everything but division one football and one that has the ability to enforce fair play for all schools. Until that day comes, expect rogue schools to become more aggressive in cheating the system. It is simple risk reward.
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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Tom View Post
    The Means case is why I don't trust the NCAA & Hate 10RC.

    The deal with Slime to save Cammy was just one of many crocked things the NCAA has done.

    But don't confuse the Miami situation with Bama's. Fulmer & Kramer were going to bring down Bama at all cost, Miami has only its own to blame for its troubles.
    The Miami case is unbelievably widespread. The Means case involves a single player. The only similarities seemed to be that the NCAA broke their own rules each time. But, if Alabama deserved their punishment in the Means case, Miami deserves to lose their football program for about a decade.

    The NCAA is now inept and has basically told everyone out there that you can break the rules, and how not to get caught.
    A: You can sell your kid, publicly, just hide the money trail.
    B: You can break any other rules, just remember that loose lips sink ships. They can't compel testimony anyway.

    A lot of this goes back to the Auburn case in my mind, there were a lot of wild theories and some of them went back to FBI investigations and the like. Well it seems like the NCAA is saying here they won't use that information even if you laid it on their desk.
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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

    You can't fix a corrupt bureaucracy. You can only replace it.

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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

    They will find someway to pin this on Bama because haters love to hate!
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    Re: NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

    http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...ion-says-patsy

    "Perez then questioned the NCAA's motives.
    "I don't know what it's all about and I find this very suspicious," she said. "And I'm starting to believe they want (to) intentionally botch this investigation for reasons I can only imagine are monetary.""

    This is ridiculous. The NCAA is not a court of law. I agree completely that they should follow their own rules, and anyone who broke them should be severely punished. However, if it lead to proof of wrong doing from Miami, why on earth would they throw it out? They have an agenda here...
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    NCAA launches external review of enforcement program due to issues in Miami case

    As long as the NCAA acts within accordance of the law, they're own internal procedures can be 'shady'. For instance 'we had enough people come forward claiming you paid Bill Athlete $20 to go to City college, so we're punishing you' or 'yeah, we had a person or two claim you paid Bill Athlete $20, but we're not convinced (read: we like you) so we aren't doing anything to you'. No laws broken...but completely arbitrary and frustrating.

    For the NCAA, which has no subpoena power, to compel Shapiro to disclose information from the bankruptcy proceedings, is wrong, unethical, and thy got busted. This isn't about hating Bama


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