Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 27 to 39 of 65
  1. #27
    FB Moderator Bamabuzzard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Where ever there's BBQ, Crawfish & Football
    Posts
    18,443
    Recipes
    1
    My Mood
    Cheerful on TideFans.com

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Overly simplified, but he paid royalties to UA for years and then decided he didn't need to (although he continued to pay royalties to other universities). UA decided it had to protect its trademarks (if you don't, you lose them) and sued. From there, the case went off into the esoterica of IP law over "fair use" and the like...
    Wow. I guess the oversimplified question is how can he not owe the university royalties? I googled a lot of his prints and some have the universities script A and one has the entire logo in the background. What was the legal reason the courts determined he didn't?
    The existence of God isn't determined in the thoughts of man. God exist, no matter what man thinks.

    "It cost a lot of money to look this cheap."-Dolly Parton.

    "If you ever want to know how good your barbecue is start charging for it"-Myron Mixon

  2. Advertisement
  3. #28
    Senior Administrator TIDE-HSV's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 1999
    Location
    Huntsville, AL,USA
    Posts
    43,255

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    Wow. I guess the oversimplified question is how can he not owe the university royalties? I googled a lot of his prints and some have the universities script A and one has the entire logo in the background. What was the legal reason the courts determined he didn't?
    TBF, I didn't really follow the case close enough to know or analyze the finding. Like a bad penny, he'll resurface, so I'll try to read up on it...
    "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. - Ellen Parr"

    'If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?' - Steve Jobs

    I would rather live my life as if there is a god and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is. Albert Camus

  4. #29
    BamaNation Hall of Fame
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Arab, AL
    Posts
    8,130
    My Mood
    Inspired on TideFans.com

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    TBF, I didn't really follow the case close enough to know or analyze the finding. Like a bad penny, he'll resurface, so I'll try to read up on it...
    I am certainly not a lawyer, but from my memory, it came down to the University not being able to claim the iconic numeral helmet and crimson and white uniform as a unique trademark. I remember the plain nature of the uniform being the main reason. I cannot remember when the script A logo started appearing in his paintings - before or after the lawsuit.

    My memory may be way off though. I know this board has gone through this discussion before, but what really got me about it all is that he refused to pay Alabama but he paid all the other Universities.

  5. #30
    FB Moderator Bamabuzzard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Where ever there's BBQ, Crawfish & Football
    Posts
    18,443
    My Mood
    Cheerful on TideFans.com

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    Quote Originally Posted by TideEngineer08 View Post
    I am certainly not a lawyer, but from my memory, it came down to the University not being able to claim the iconic numeral helmet and crimson and white uniform as a unique trademark. I remember the plain nature of the uniform being the main reason. I cannot remember when the script A logo started appearing in his paintings - before or after the lawsuit.

    My memory may be way off though. I know this board has gone through this discussion before, but what really got me about it all is that he refused to pay Alabama but he paid all the other Universities.
    Just a quick search last night of his prints and I found two that had the script A in it and one that had the circular logo in it that specifically mentioned the name "Alabama" in plan view. I'm not sure how he's not liable for paying the college.

    Found this and this opens pandora's box IMO. I thought trademarks and copyrighted material also was protected as far as using the likeness. I know with our business' trademarked logo the paperwork we received back said it protects the likeness of it as well.

    http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...ins_key_i.html

    http://www.wipo.int/trademarks/en/about_trademarks.html

    From the last link:

    A trademark provides protection to the owner of the mark by ensuring the exclusive right to use it to identify goods or services, or to authorize another to use it in return for payment. The period of protection varies, but a trademark can be renewed indefinitely beyond the time limit on payment of additional fees. Trademark protection is enforced by the courts, which in most systems have the authority to block trademark infringement.

    In a larger sense, trademarks promote initiative and enterprise worldwide by rewarding the owners of trademarks with recognition and financial profit. Trademark protection also hinders the efforts of unfair competitors, such as counterfeiters, to use similar distinctive signs to market inferior or different products or services. The system enables people with skill and enterprise to produce and market goods and services in the fairest possible conditions, thereby facilitating international trade.
    Last edited by Bamabuzzard; February 1st, 2013 at 09:20 AM.
    The existence of God isn't determined in the thoughts of man. God exist, no matter what man thinks.

    "It cost a lot of money to look this cheap."-Dolly Parton.

    "If you ever want to know how good your barbecue is start charging for it"-Myron Mixon

  6. #31
    BamaNation Hall of Fame
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Arab, AL
    Posts
    8,130
    My Mood
    Inspired on TideFans.com

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    Just a quick search last night of his prints and I found two that had the script A in it and one that had the circular logo in it that specifically mentioned the name "Alabama" in plan view. I'm not sure how he's not liable for paying the college.

    Found this and this opens pandora's box IMO. I thought trademarks and copyrighted material also was protected as far as using the likeness. I know with our business' trademarked logo the paperwork we received back said it protects the likeness of it as well.

    http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...ins_key_i.html
    Do you remember what games those prints were of? Were they before or after all of this lawsuit battle?

    I just have this memory of Alabama's plain uniform not passing the court's muster of a trademark. But as I said... it's been a few years ago and I may be wrong.

    Edit: Searched myself and one of them is the 2008 Iron Bowl. That was before all of this was settled.
    Last edited by TideEngineer08; February 1st, 2013 at 09:24 AM.

  7. #32
    FB Moderator Bamabuzzard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Where ever there's BBQ, Crawfish & Football
    Posts
    18,443
    My Mood
    Cheerful on TideFans.com

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    Quote Originally Posted by TideEngineer08 View Post
    Do you remember what games those prints were of? Were they before or after all of this lawsuit battle?

    I just have this memory of Alabama's plain uniform not passing the court's muster of a trademark. But as I said... it's been a few years ago and I may be wrong.
    http://www.thebevelededgeonline.com/images/blowout.gif

    Click on this'un and tell me what you think?
    The existence of God isn't determined in the thoughts of man. God exist, no matter what man thinks.

    "It cost a lot of money to look this cheap."-Dolly Parton.

    "If you ever want to know how good your barbecue is start charging for it"-Myron Mixon

  8. #33

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    This recent enough?

    (note logo on TJ's jersey)

    http://www.thedowntowngallery.com/mo...rive_large.jpg
    DISCLAIMER: I hereby reserve the right to discuss any game on the Alabama schedule I wish, at any time during the season, as I am not a part of the Crimson Tide football program. I am simply a fan who has no impact outside of the money I provide the athletic department via ticket and memorabilia purchases and the energy I can provide when I attend the games. 2009-2014, crimsonaudio

    Lurch Backwater!

  9. #34
    BamaNation Hall of Fame
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Arab, AL
    Posts
    8,130
    My Mood
    Inspired on TideFans.com

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    http://www.thebevelededgeonline.com/images/blowout.gif

    Click on this'un and tell me what you think?
    Yep, that's the one I found when I searched. That was before this was all settled. I don't understand how he got away with that...

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    This recent enough?

    (note logo on TJ's jersey)

    http://www.thedowntowngallery.com/mo...rive_large.jpg
    This one is after all of this is settled. So, he's in the clear now, right?

  10. #35

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    Quote Originally Posted by TideEngineer08 View Post
    This one is after all of this is settled. So, he's in the clear now, right?
    I'm guessing so, sadly.

    I like his prints, but I'm a big believer in IP rights and this is a clear violation, imo. But I'm no judge, so what do I know.
    DISCLAIMER: I hereby reserve the right to discuss any game on the Alabama schedule I wish, at any time during the season, as I am not a part of the Crimson Tide football program. I am simply a fan who has no impact outside of the money I provide the athletic department via ticket and memorabilia purchases and the energy I can provide when I attend the games. 2009-2014, crimsonaudio

    Lurch Backwater!

  11. #36
    FB Moderator Bamabuzzard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Where ever there's BBQ, Crawfish & Football
    Posts
    18,443
    My Mood
    Cheerful on TideFans.com

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    Dang 'Audio. You're right. I don't get it. IMO, it falls into the part of the law of "likeness". I've never bought any of his work. Prolly never will.
    The existence of God isn't determined in the thoughts of man. God exist, no matter what man thinks.

    "It cost a lot of money to look this cheap."-Dolly Parton.

    "If you ever want to know how good your barbecue is start charging for it"-Myron Mixon

  12. #37
    BamaNation Hall of Fame
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Arab, AL
    Posts
    8,130
    My Mood
    Inspired on TideFans.com

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    I have some of his prints, which were gifts. He does have fantastic talent. But I'll never purchase his works because of this.

    As I said, it was particularly galling to me that he paid the other Universities and also paid UA until he just decided to stop.

  13. #38
    FB Moderator Bamabuzzard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Where ever there's BBQ, Crawfish & Football
    Posts
    18,443
    My Mood
    Cheerful on TideFans.com

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    Quote Originally Posted by TideEngineer08 View Post
    I have some of his prints, which were gifts. He does have fantastic talent. But I'll never purchase his works because of this.

    As I said, it was particularly galling to me that he paid the other Universities and also paid UA until he just decided to stop.
    I think he had to because in many of the paintings the other schools' logo was clearly on the side of their helmets. I know the actual logo is protected from being used. But who knows? I'm just shocked at the outcome.
    The existence of God isn't determined in the thoughts of man. God exist, no matter what man thinks.

    "It cost a lot of money to look this cheap."-Dolly Parton.

    "If you ever want to know how good your barbecue is start charging for it"-Myron Mixon

  14. #39

    Re: Daniel Moore doing a Johnny Football print

    In 2013, why do people still buy these things? My camera takes much more realistic pictures than this midget could ever draw...

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
'Gear UP! Get your University of Alabama Crimson Tide National Championship & Football Dynasty Gear!