Seems to me that if this rule is to be adopted then ALL officials should be shown an example of this type hit and all leagues should sponsor a training day for officials and coaches to include on field and video training. This then is given to the players in practice. Won't prevent all related "bad" calls but could go a long way in implementing the intent of the rule (player safety) and when it should/should not be called. Maybe something like this is included/planned for??
Link: NCAA proposed rule changes (includes ejections for targeting defenseless players)
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Yeah the one against Eddie in the championship game and Hubbard against Michigan were times it was recognized by refs because it was not in a pile. But i remember another play in the michigan game where eddies got ripped off, when he got to the sideline the coaches were yelling at him and you could see him say they ripped it offf.
I watch way too much college football though and saw it affect too many other games. Georgia tech had their qbs ripped off on a 3rd and goal situation. They has do go for it with a backup qb.
I played high school ball in the late 60's early 70's and we were taught to use the shoulder and protect your head. I made a mistake when tackling a big fullback once and paid for it with a knee to the head. Hello birdies.
Keep in mind that this is not the NFL. Most will never see the NFL. If we can protect college players without effecting the game too much, I'm all for it. Its all a matter of degree, pun intended.
The more international/European sports do a much better job regulating this sort of thing. Whether it's soccer, rugby, Aussie Rules, whatever - for things like "targeting" and hard fouls, it's not automatic, it's up to the discretion of the ref. Whenever you call for automatic ejections for this sort of thing, two things happen:
1) It gives the refs a chance to react FAR to strongly to something that wasn't targeting, but incidental contact, and negatively impact the game.
2) It makes the game MORE dangerous, because instead of calling a penalty for a defenseless player, an official doesn't call it because he knows he also has to eject the player.
To take an example from a somewhat recent game of our - the Tyrann Mathieu facemask on Dre in '11, penalty called, but totally unsportsmanlike and potentially with deliberate intent to injure. Should have easily been ejected, but there's no room for the ref's discretion.
1) It gives the refs a chance to react FAR to strongly to something that wasn't targeting, but incidental contact, and negatively impact the game.
2) It makes the game MORE dangerous, because instead of calling a penalty for a defenseless player, an official doesn't call it because he knows he also has to eject the player.
To take an example from a somewhat recent game of our - the Tyrann Mathieu facemask on Dre in '11, penalty called, but totally unsportsmanlike and potentially with deliberate intent to injure. Should have easily been ejected, but there's no room for the ref's discretion.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the refs eject a player at their discretion as it is? Or do they really have their hands tied? I always thought if a player said or did something bad enough, the refs had the right to eject the player without finding some sort of rule that says automatic ejection.
If that isn't the case, there should be a rule that allows for ejections in the case of egregious actions (like the Mathieu mugging). If they are allowed to do that, then there is no need for more rules. If they see something really bad, tell them to throw the player out.
If that isn't the case, there should be a rule that allows for ejections in the case of egregious actions (like the Mathieu mugging). If they are allowed to do that, then there is no need for more rules. If they see something really bad, tell them to throw the player out.
They already do this. All training is standardized. It doesn't seem to help does it? The problem is even with video evidence, interpretations of the rules can be different and things happen so fast, they don't always process everything that happens at the moment. With video replay, you lose an element (intent of the hit) when it is slow motion.
Good points. Sometimes we don't realize the speed with which they're expected to react. I've long thought that the reason there are so many bad calls in basketball is that the action is fast and continuous. Granted, they don't have as many players to watch, but there're not so many of the officials, either...
Re: NCAA proposed rule changes (includes ejections for targeting defenseless player
The main discussion has been about the big proposal: ejecting players. Here are the others proposed:
The main discussion has been about the big proposal: ejecting players. Here are the others proposed:
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