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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    Quote Originally Posted by bamaslammer View Post
    I hear you guys, online classes don't always = easy. I get that. I came from a time before the internet or personal computers. So you might call me a little old school, but some old school ways are still better than the modern alternative today. For instance when I was young we ate fried food and we ate all we wanted, yet there were VERY few fat people and we rarely ever got sick. how is that? ever wonder?

    Success in life isn't about the book learning, it's about your ability to handle stress, think on your feet, innovate, manage time and more than anything else DEAL WITH PEOPLE. You can't learn that from a computer, computers are just tools, they replaced the telephone of my day.
    Dealing with people on computers is just as important, and arguably will be more important in the next 40 years...

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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    So I guess the naysayers missed the part about him taking an English class and it being a huge problem. Kids asking for pictures and autographs in the middle of class. I took some online classes while at Bama. Worst decision I ever made.

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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    Call me crazy, but I don't trust one bit that he is having to put forth much effort as a Heisman winner in 4 online Sports Management courses. There is no easier way to arrange for cheating than having classes exclusively online. Not that moving kids into the classroom will guarantee effort is made for the grades achieved *see UT*, but at least they have a responsibility to show up in a set location every day. Seems like if you're being called a student-athlete, you should have to put something in. And I'm not saying all online classes are a breeze, but I'd be very surprised if these 4 classes require much good-faith effort.

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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DocCrimson View Post
    Call me crazy, but I don't trust one bit that he is having to put forth much effort as a Heisman winner in 4 online Sports Management courses. There is no easier way to arrange for cheating than having classes exclusively online. Not that moving kids into the classroom will guarantee effort is made for the grades achieved *see UT*, but at least they have a responsibility to show up in a set location every day. Seems like if you're being called a student-athlete, you should have to put something in. And I'm not saying all online classes are a breeze, but I'd be very surprised if these 4 classes require much good-faith effort.
    You said to a degree what I've been trying to say only you said it much better. It's almost like an attitude of "I'll be your Heisman winner and I'll come to practice but as far as a student I'm just too important to be on campus more than once a month"...

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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alasippi View Post
    It's almost like an attitude of "I'll be your Heisman winner and I'll come to practice but as far as a student I'm just too important to be on campus more than once a month"...
    He probably only shows up for classwork once a month but I imagine he is "on campus" quite a bit more. I know he has been Mr. Johnny Public Appearance lately but I bet he is working out at the football complex alot when he isn't at Mardi Gras or at the NBA All-Star game. As far as him being a regular student, that will never happen now. He is a phenom Heisman trophy winner as a Freshman who by some figures brought in over $30M to the school by winning that trophy. I am sure he would cause a riot if he walked through campus so the school is probably giving him alot of freedom.

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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondDust View Post
    It's hilarious to consider online classes a "privilege".
    Well, you could sit in your dorm room/apartment/home in your under garments while eating a pizza, an apple, etc. or having a drink and being relaxed while
    online.

    Underclassmen/women who are not making the grade don't deserve the "privilege". It could be that they are still too immature and
    unorganized to perform/excel online.

    Oh well, it could be better than going to class and being brainwashed by some Prof.

    Have you found the courses tougher that actually attending class?
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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Al A Bama View Post
    Well, you could sit in your dorm room/apartment/home in your under garments while eating a pizza, an apple, etc. or having a drink and being relaxed while
    online.

    Underclassmen/women who are not making the grade don't deserve the "privilege". It could be that they are still too immature and
    unorganized to perform/excel online.

    Oh well, it could be better than going to class and being brainwashed by some Prof.

    Have you found the courses tougher that actually attending class?
    Again, online courses are not and never will be "privileges" no matter how you try to spin it. No university will ever adopt that mentality.

    To answer your other question: I took a Microsoft Excel class where we had to do all the work at home and only come to class for the tests. A couple of the advanced concepts in the program would have been easier to handle with input by the professor/instructor.

    Granted, I don't mind in retrospect. The instructor clearly did not want to be teaching the course as it was during the summer.

    I also wish I would have been able to take my Roman History course online and avoid the horrible professor Alabama employs to teach that course.
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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    Quote Originally Posted by bamaslammer View Post
    I hear you guys, online classes don't always = easy. I get that. I came from a time before the internet or personal computers. So you might call me a little old school, but some old school ways are still better than the modern alternative today. For instance when I was young we ate fried food and we ate all we wanted, yet there were VERY few fat people and we rarely ever got sick. how is that? ever wonder?

    Success in life isn't about the book learning, it's about your ability to handle stress, think on your feet, innovate, manage time and more than anything else DEAL WITH PEOPLE. You can't learn that from a computer, computers are just tools, they replaced the telephone of my day.
    Well said - you do not get the experience of coming to class and being forced to respond to a difficult question in front of your peers "online". In fact, I think an online degree cheats the student out of many of the greatest things about the college experience.

    I do think there is much more opportunity for fraud as well - does anyone think Ferris Bueller would actually have been sitting in front of his computer on a lovely Spring day, or would he have programmed a holographic image to stand-in for him?

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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrRourke View Post

    I do think there is much more opportunity for fraud as well - does anyone think Ferris Bueller would actually have been sitting in front of his computer on a lovely Spring day, or would he have programmed a holographic image to stand-in for him?
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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    Color me baffled that people are making this an issue

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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    Purely On-line classes were the hardest classes I've ever taken. Of course, almost all classes have an on-line element these days. The all-on-line classes were much more work than "regular" classes. Usually not just "busy work" as someone said, but also more written "papers" to show that you actually have a good grasp on the subject matter.
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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    How can him being in a class be a huge distraction? I can see the first day there might be a wow factor, but when you see him three days a week for a whole semester, you should grow up and get used to a Heisman winner sitting next to you.

    If I'm a professor and people are taking pictures or asking for autographs while I'm trying to lecture, I ask the offenders to leave.

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    Re: Manziel Taking All On-Line Classes-Fishy?

    As for being able to cheat on an online test, has anyone ever taken a class with a hundred or more students in it? You don't think someone has ever had someone else take the test for them and the professor is none the wiser?

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