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I agree that UNC is the big catch left out there--but one random element that I think we're all forgetting is Kentucky. I'm not sure they are ready to give up top dog status in basketball.
 
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All of this expansion is just contributing to the overall suckification of college football. If we add only two more then I'm cool with it. Any more than that is just bs. IMO
 

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So who do we go for without violating the "gentleman's agreement" against in state rivals (Tech, FSU, Clemson, etc.)? I'm guessing NC State and Virginia Tech would be the most likely targets if we are going at the ACC.
This "agreement" is the most absurd thing ever, imo. The charter SEC programs in Alabama, Tennessee, and Mississippi are all being penalized by the posturing of the UF's and UGA's of the League.
 

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I just don't think UVA and NCST are good gets that will grow the revenue share. They'll grow revenue but ultimately end up being a no-gain or loss in terms of the check the schools get each year. That is why I think we go big and gut the ACC if we expand further. Just absolutely make the South the SEC's to have...lets not forget that the vast majority of college football followers are in the South. Why else do you think they open Gameday with that hokey country crap? It appeals to their audience.
Why should Joe Fan give one rip about generating extra SEC revenue?
 

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i do know unc loves their baseball and after joining the b1g, they can kiss their college world series hopes goodbye. from what i have read, their fans and alumni prefer the sec. more rivals, better weather and just a better fit. they are also worried about ncst going to the sec and thinking thats what they should have done. i would be happy with vt and ncst. i really believe they would take over their states with the sec connection over time.
 

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i just dont want the b1g in sec country...with adding gt and fsu from what i have heard they might be going after.
 

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I have a feeling the splash that txam had has no doubt had an effect on other potential members. Does unc want to go route of texas and allow ncst to rake its spot and possibly take over top billing in the state? No one probably thought that could happen with the aggies but now that it has to make one think a little harder.

If i am one of the unc ptbs, I would think the SEC would be the safe bet if you move at all provided the SEC can shed some clarity on the revenue opportunity.

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This "agreement" is the most absurd thing ever, imo. The charter SEC programs in Alabama, Tennessee, and Mississippi are all being penalized by the posturing of the UF's and UGA's of the League.
On the other hand, it keeps out Memphis, Southern Miss and the Extension Center. Not that any of them would be on the SEC's radar (maybe Memphis), but you never know.
 

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The problem with UNC and UVA to the SEC as some here are suggesting/considering is that we don't play lacrosse. For UNC that is probably their #2 money sport behind basketball and for UVA it is probably #1.

They aren't walking away from that sport to join the SEC. Period.

With VaTech and NCState no such concern. They play lax but it is not a big money maker for them.
Lacrosse will soon be an NCAA sport every where. It is taking off big time.
 

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My daughter goes to UNC and I've attended football, basketball, and women's soccer games. Even in a down year, against a lesser opponent, the atmosphere at a basketball game is undeniable. But for all the rich talent that rolls in to the football program, game attendance is pitiful. When NC State played at UNC, the stadium was about evenly split with fans. UNC is not a football school. My other daughter does to VT and those fans a fun and rabid.
 

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UNC's football program would take a giant leap if the school joins the SEC. The school is great in almost every other sport. As the flagship university in a state of 9 million people, the talent is available. A move to the SEC, which I don't think is going to happen, would be a football move. Within 5 years the school would be competitive in football. Meanwhile, the SEC would benefit from one of the best brands in the country.

If you had UNC, the second team becomes a fill-in-the-blank. NCSU gives me the willies, though. Too much like AU in way too many ways.
 

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I suspect this is all a moot point at least for a few years. However, I find it interesting when people proclaim that UVA would add so much more to the SEC than would VaTech. Certainly UVA is one of the top public colleges in America. I get that. I've lived over 30 years of my adult life in Virginia. I follow Virginia sports... even William & Mary... :blush: If the topic is sports - and football in particular - VaTech will put more fannies in the seats, eyeballs on the sets, and visiting fans in other venues, than will UVA.

IMO UVA would be one more mouth to feed... and would expect the other SEC institutions to thank UVA for the privilege of shoveling money at them. OTOH, VaTech has a rabid fan following and would earn their keep.
 

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VaTech will put more fannies in the seats, eyeballs on the sets, and visiting fans in other venues, than will UVA.

IMO UVA would be one more mouth to feed... and would expect the other SEC institutions to thank UVA for the privilege of shoveling money at them. OTOH, VaTech has a rabid fan following and would earn their keep.
Virginia's athletic department earns far more revenue than VT. I'm trying to figure out how that makes VT the earner and Virginia the mouth to feed.

Secondly, the notion that VT will put more fannies in the seats is built around the premise that they win in football is it not? Their program was all but non-existent until Beamer came along and they had success, one would have to assume if they don't have success it would return to its natural state, which is part of a completely inept and unaccomplished athletic department.

Even if VT did have success in the East, they'd fill up their impressive 66K stadium and really... wait what? This isn't Texas A&M. This isn't a top 20 football program that seats nearly 90K, this a 60ish football program that seats in the mid 60s. If they do experience success, it would be at the expense of Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee, all programs with much more in terms of revenue, seating, and fan interest. VT is a one trick pony as I've said before and it's not a very good trick (and it is a trick the SEC already knows). I never said Virginia was the best possible addition, but they are better than VT and if you consider the combination of UNC/Virginia and NC State/VT, we're talking tens of millions less revenue a year.
 

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Forbes Football Revenue
Football Revenue
Virginia Tech$31,155,870.00
Clemson Univ.$30,994,503.00
Georgia Tech$24,870,064.00
Univ. of Miami$24,631,029.00
Univ. of North Carolina$22,077,550.00
North Carolina State$22,018,738.00
Boston College$19,184,902.00
Univ. of Virginia$19,004,653.00
Florida State Univ.$18,958,861.00
Duke Univ.$16,109,324.00
Univ. of Maryland$11,540,368.00
Wake Forest University$10,227,922.00
 

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ACC football profits - Forbes

The two top revenue producers in the ACC, Virginia Tech and Clemson, also managed to turn the largest profits from football:
Football Profit
Virginia Tech$14,853,103.00
Clemson Univ.$14,688,975.00
North Carolina State$11,609,800.00
Georgia Tech$9,350,858.00
Univ. of North Carolina$7,289,263.00
Univ. of Miami$6,767,811.00
Univ. of Virginia$3,076,978.00
Florida State Univ.$2,613,485.00
Duke Univ.$1,796,461.00
Univ. of Maryland$1,676,620.00
Boston College$1,211,197.00
Wake Forest University-$2,289,583.00
 

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ACC football profits - Forbes

The two top revenue producers in the ACC, Virginia Tech and Clemson, also managed to turn the largest profits from football:
Football Profit
Virginia Tech$14,853,103.00
Clemson Univ.$14,688,975.00
North Carolina State$11,609,800.00
Georgia Tech$9,350,858.00
Univ. of North Carolina$7,289,263.00
Univ. of Miami$6,767,811.00
Univ. of Virginia$3,076,978.00
Florida State Univ.$2,613,485.00
Duke Univ.$1,796,461.00
Univ. of Maryland$1,676,620.00
Boston College$1,211,197.00
Wake Forest University-$2,289,583.00
BOOM!
 

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Total profits by school. Virginia must be extremely efficient at tiddleywinks

Athletic Dept Profit
Univ. of Virginia$10,971,219.00
Virginia Tech$7,874,833.00
Univ. of Miami$5,247,495.00
North Carolina State$3,155,910.00
Clemson Univ.$1,442,057.00
Boston College$1,211,197.00
Wake Forest University$888,960.00
Duke Univ.$442,226.00
Univ. of North Carolina$238,644.00
Univ. of Maryland$223,424.00
Georgia Tech$138,659.00
Florida State Univ.$0.00
 

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These schools will have more money to invest in their football programs if they were to join the B1G or SEC, as those conferences have much more lucrative TV deals. The question - will they roll that money back into their football programs? If they do, they could have a great deal of success - just not sure that they ever will.
 

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Total profits by school. Virginia must be extremely efficient at tiddleywinks

Athletic Dept Profit
Univ. of Virginia$10,971,219.00
Virginia Tech$7,874,833.00
Univ. of Miami$5,247,495.00
North Carolina State$3,155,910.00
Clemson Univ.$1,442,057.00
Boston College$1,211,197.00
Wake Forest University$888,960.00
Duke Univ.$442,226.00
Univ. of North Carolina$238,644.00
Univ. of Maryland$223,424.00
Georgia Tech$138,659.00
Florida State Univ.$0.00

They are efficient at Subsidy, as defined in the following link as:

Subsidy: The sum of students fees, direct and indirect institutional support and state money. The NCAA and others consider such funds "allocated" or everything not generated by the department's athletics functions.

Tops in the ACC now that Maryland is gone.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...ollege-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1
 

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