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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    It's been said already but UNC and Duke are a package deal, the have intimated as much already.

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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

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    VaTech will put more fannies in the seats, eyeballs on the sets, and visiting fans in other venues, than will UVA.

    IMO UVA would be one more mouth to feed... and would expect the other SEC institutions to thank UVA for the privilege of shoveling money at them. OTOH, VaTech has a rabid fan following and would earn their keep.
    Virginia's athletic department earns far more revenue than VT. I'm trying to figure out how that makes VT the earner and Virginia the mouth to feed.

    Secondly, the notion that VT will put more fannies in the seats is built around the premise that they win in football is it not? Their program was all but non-existent until Beamer came along and they had success, one would have to assume if they don't have success it would return to its natural state, which is part of a completely inept and unaccomplished athletic department.

    Even if VT did have success in the East, they'd fill up their impressive 66K stadium and really... wait what? This isn't Texas A&M. This isn't a top 20 football program that seats nearly 90K, this a 60ish football program that seats in the mid 60s. If they do experience success, it would be at the expense of Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee, all programs with much more in terms of revenue, seating, and fan interest. VT is a one trick pony as I've said before and it's not a very good trick (and it is a trick the SEC already knows). I never said Virginia was the best possible addition, but they are better than VT and if you consider the combination of UNC/Virginia and NC State/VT, we're talking tens of millions less revenue a year.
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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    Forbes Football Revenue
    Football Revenue
    Virginia Tech $31,155,870.00
    Clemson Univ. $30,994,503.00
    Georgia Tech $24,870,064.00
    Univ. of Miami $24,631,029.00
    Univ. of North Carolina $22,077,550.00
    North Carolina State $22,018,738.00
    Boston College $19,184,902.00
    Univ. of Virginia $19,004,653.00
    Florida State Univ. $18,958,861.00
    Duke Univ. $16,109,324.00
    Univ. of Maryland $11,540,368.00
    Wake Forest University $10,227,922.00

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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    ACC football profits - Forbes

    The two top revenue producers in the ACC, Virginia Tech and Clemson, also managed to turn the largest profits from football:
    Football Profit
    Virginia Tech $14,853,103.00
    Clemson Univ. $14,688,975.00
    North Carolina State $11,609,800.00
    Georgia Tech $9,350,858.00
    Univ. of North Carolina $7,289,263.00
    Univ. of Miami $6,767,811.00
    Univ. of Virginia $3,076,978.00
    Florida State Univ. $2,613,485.00
    Duke Univ. $1,796,461.00
    Univ. of Maryland $1,676,620.00
    Boston College $1,211,197.00
    Wake Forest University -$2,289,583.00

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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    Quote Originally Posted by RTRCharlotte View Post
    ACC football profits - Forbes

    The two top revenue producers in the ACC, Virginia Tech and Clemson, also managed to turn the largest profits from football:
    Football Profit
    Virginia Tech $14,853,103.00
    Clemson Univ. $14,688,975.00
    North Carolina State $11,609,800.00
    Georgia Tech $9,350,858.00
    Univ. of North Carolina $7,289,263.00
    Univ. of Miami $6,767,811.00
    Univ. of Virginia $3,076,978.00
    Florida State Univ. $2,613,485.00
    Duke Univ. $1,796,461.00
    Univ. of Maryland $1,676,620.00
    Boston College $1,211,197.00
    Wake Forest University -$2,289,583.00
    BOOM!
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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    Total profits by school. Virginia must be extremely efficient at tiddleywinks

    Athletic Dept Profit
    Univ. of Virginia $10,971,219.00
    Virginia Tech $7,874,833.00
    Univ. of Miami $5,247,495.00
    North Carolina State $3,155,910.00
    Clemson Univ. $1,442,057.00
    Boston College $1,211,197.00
    Wake Forest University $888,960.00
    Duke Univ. $442,226.00
    Univ. of North Carolina $238,644.00
    Univ. of Maryland $223,424.00
    Georgia Tech $138,659.00
    Florida State Univ. $0.00

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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    These schools will have more money to invest in their football programs if they were to join the B1G or SEC, as those conferences have much more lucrative TV deals. The question - will they roll that money back into their football programs? If they do, they could have a great deal of success - just not sure that they ever will.

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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    Quote Originally Posted by RTRCharlotte View Post
    Total profits by school. Virginia must be extremely efficient at tiddleywinks

    Athletic Dept Profit
    Univ. of Virginia $10,971,219.00
    Virginia Tech $7,874,833.00
    Univ. of Miami $5,247,495.00
    North Carolina State $3,155,910.00
    Clemson Univ. $1,442,057.00
    Boston College $1,211,197.00
    Wake Forest University $888,960.00
    Duke Univ. $442,226.00
    Univ. of North Carolina $238,644.00
    Univ. of Maryland $223,424.00
    Georgia Tech $138,659.00
    Florida State Univ. $0.00

    They are efficient at Subsidy, as defined in the following link as:

    Subsidy: The sum of students fees, direct and indirect institutional support and state money. The NCAA and others consider such funds "allocated" or everything not generated by the department's athletics functions.

    Tops in the ACC now that Maryland is gone.

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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    Quote Originally Posted by RTRCharlotte View Post
    ACC football profits - Forbes

    The two top revenue producers in the ACC, are not Virginia Tech and Clemson
    Fixed it for you.

    This is where I get on my soapbox. The SEC does not only compete in football, SEC revenue is not only generated in football, and perhaps more importantly SEC teams will win as many as they lose. This means Virginia Tech can not be considered to continue their current level of success in the SEC. So, telling me how well they are doing in football is a bit like telling me how well Boise St. is doing in football.

    Virginia Tech is riding success under Beamer. However! There is no history beyond Beamer, and nothing at all to indicate this would continue in the SEC. It is as simple as that. I can't believe people think you can add 10 wins to the SEC football by adding a school. Now you can't! You are adding 4 more wins, and 4 more losses! That is the reality!

    The point was already clarified. Both Virginia and North Carolina generate more revenue than Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech and North Carolina State combine for revenue of: 130 million. North Carolina and Virginia combine for athletic revenue of 160 million. I already alluded to that, but now I'll say BOOM!

    They're in the same conferences, but UNC and Virginia generate 30 more million each year in athletic revenue. If you can't tell which programs are bigger then I'm not sure what to say. There's a reason the ACC didn't want Virginia Tech, their athletic department is small time and their fans are Johnny-come-latelies.
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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    History lesson - before Bobby Bowden, FSU was nothing.

    Also, ALA2262 makes a good point above. Which fanbase supports their athletics without subsidies.

    Revenue Expenses Subsidy Percent Subsidy Revenue (net Subsidy) Net Income
    North Carolina State $51,076,345 $50,560,564 $1,088,895 2.10% $49,987,450 ($573,114)
    Clemson $61,174,977 $58,367,884 $5,106,024 8.30% $56,068,953 ($2,298,931)
    Virginia Tech $66,909,557 $62,594,797 $7,591,114 11.30% $59,318,443 ($3,276,354)
    Virginia $78,439,006 $72,400,342 $12,973,298 16.50% $65,465,708 ($6,934,634)
    Georgia Tech $54,354,409 $55,065,262 $6,454,071 11.90% $47,900,338 ($7,164,924)
    North Carolina $75,606,311 $74,312,602 $8,829,369 11.70% $66,776,942 ($7,535,660)
    Maryland $61,634,829 $61,632,000 $15,861,641 25.70% $45,773,188 ($15,858,812)
    Florida State $78,575,788 $86,949,804 $7,528,006 9.60% $71,047,782 ($15,902,022)

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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    UVA does indeed bring in a lot of money to their sports programs. They have a lot of wealthy alums. Here's UVA's breakdown of mid 2009 to mid 2010 non-sports-specific athletic revenue...
    Contributions: $26M
    Student Fees: 12M
    Royalties/Sponsorships/etc.: 6.6M
    Conference Distributions: 1.8M

    This revenue is not available for sharing with other conference schools any more than the contributions of Alabama donors are shared with our fellow conference members. IOW, it's my opinion that the total revenue brought in by a school's sports program isn't a particularly good metric for determining the suitability and value of that school to a conference. Heck, if total sports revenue was a determining factor, I suspect Harvard would rank pretty high...

    Interesting match-ups; fans that can fill their own stadium and will travel to away games; eyes-on-TV coverage; operate profitably... These sorts of things should matter more than total revenue IMO.

    Having said that, I wouldn't lose sleep over it if UVA were extended an invitation to the SEC. But I do politely disagree with the contention that UVA is a slam-dunk better choice than VaTech. It isn't.
    Last edited by BamaFossil; February 20th, 2013 at 10:02 AM. Reason: Corrected the year for the UVA non-sports-specific data.

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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    Quote Originally Posted by ALA2262 View Post
    They are efficient at Subsidy, as defined in the following link as:

    Subsidy: The sum of students fees, direct and indirect institutional support and state money. The NCAA and others consider such funds "allocated" or everything not generated by the department's athletics functions.

    Tops in the ACC now that Maryland is gone.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ase/54955804/1
    I was just about to say that. You don't have to be a trained auditor, although I am, to see that something smells in the case of UVA, when you look at their skinny football revenues and profit. The only way their AD can be showing a "profit" like that is subsidy. When looking at AD revenues and profits, it's best only to look at football and basketball revenues and profits. Those are the sports which carry all the others at almost every school...
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    Re: Maryland 247sports site reporting UNC has a Big Ten offer

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I was just about to say that. You don't have to be a trained auditor, although I am, to see that something smells in the case of UVA, when you look at their skinny football revenues and profit. The only way their AD can be showing a "profit" like that is subsidy. When looking at AD revenues and profits, it's best only to look at football and basketball revenues and profits. Those are the sports which carry all the others at almost every school...
    Where the investments are coming from don't really matter though do they? Investment is investment. Virginia Tech doesn't have much investment...
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