1944 quote of Norman Matoon Thomas

ALA2262 · Apr 12, 2013

Norman Mattoon Thomas (November 20, 1884 - December 19, 1968) was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America. The Socialist Party candidate for President of the US, Norman Thomas, said this in a 1944 speech.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

He went on to say, "I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform."

92tide · Apr 12, 2013

snopes

ALA2262 · Apr 12, 2013

92tide said:
snopes

That web site appears to be as liberal as any could be. I'm surprised they didn't mark it false rather than probably false.

KrimsonNinja · Apr 12, 2013

Someone, not necessarily Norman Thomas, obviously said it. And whoever said it was absolutely right.

seebell · Apr 12, 2013

KrimsonNinja said:
Someone, not necessarily Norman Thomas, obviously said it. And whoever said it was absolutely right.

Perhaps it is a synthesis of things said by different people.

92tide · Apr 12, 2013

seebell said:
Perhaps it is a synthesis of things said by different people.

or a synthesis of confirming emotional tripe

Tidewater · Apr 13, 2013

92tide said:
or a synthesis of confirming emotional tripe

That's comical coming from you.

Bodhisattva · Apr 13, 2013

The following is a list of big government/socialized/redistributive programs opposed by the Democrats/left wingers:

1.

banjeaux · Apr 13, 2013

KrimsonNinja said:
Someone, not necessarily Norman Thomas, obviously said it. And whoever said it was absolutely right.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.

"A socialist no longer needs to run as a presidential candidate.. The Democrat Party has adopted their platform."

banjeaux 2013

There! I said it. Indeed, it is true. Marxism has taken over the Democrat Party of my youth. :-(

seebell · Apr 13, 2013

banjeaux said:
There! I said it. Indeed, it is true. Marxism has taken over the Democrat Party of my youth. :-(

I gonna print that out, frame it and display it in a place of honor in my modest home. Right next to Barack and Mao's pictures.

92tide · Apr 13, 2013

Tidewater said:
That's comical coming from you.

glad i could make you feel better

Tidewater · Apr 13, 2013

I do not understand why Democrats would be so shy about the label.
Depending on how one defines the word "socialist," it is clear that the Democrat party is a socialist party.

If one defines the term in regards to ownership, complete of partial, of the means of production, I would say the Democrat party embraces socialist principles in a number of instances.
If one defines socialism as redistribution of wealth, clearly the Democrats, at least since 1932, endorse that idea, candidate Obama explicitly so.

Of course, so does the Republican party, they just believe in slower and less expensive/generous socialism.

seebell · Apr 13, 2013

Tidewater said:
I do not understand why Democrats would be so shy about the label.
Depending on how one defines the word "socialist," it is clear that the Democrat party is a socialist party.

If one defines the term in regards to ownership, complete of partial, of the means of production, I would say the Democrat party embraces socialist principles in a number of instances.
If one defines socialism as redistribution of wealth, clearly the Democrats, at least since 1932, endorse that idea, candidate Obama explicitly so.

Of course, so does the Republican party, they just believe in slower and less expensive/generous socialism.

This is the definition I learned in school. Can you give some specific examples? I really can't think of any meaningful examples. ( I wait to pounce

)

CajunCrimson · Apr 13, 2013

Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Per Merriam-Webster

Obamacare anyone?

seebell · Apr 13, 2013

CajunCrimson said:
Per Merriam-Webster

Obamacare anyone?

#1 Nope
#2 Nope
#3 Nope
#4 Yep the richer are getting richer and the rest of us are staying the same or going backward. Started in the '70's

Is Obamacare 1,2,or 3?

I am amazed that we don't agree!:conf2:

CajunCrimson · Apr 13, 2013

seebell said:
#1 Nope
#2 Nope
#3 Nope
#4 Yep the richer are getting richer and the rest of us are staying the same or going backward. Started in the '70's

Is Obamacare 1,2,or 3?

I am amazed that we don't agree!:conf2:

In a Socialism based society -- Coach Saban gets paid the same as Coach Cheez-Whiz -- in case you weren't clear on how that worked.....

I'd never want to live in THAT World......

CajunCrimson · Apr 13, 2013

seebell said:
#1 Nope (wink! wink!)
#2 Nope (the more that are on the welfare rolls, the fewer that don't have private property)
#3 Nope (do the unions own Government? Or does Government own the Unions? Regardless -- I'd say that #3 is a big fat yes....)
#4 Yep the richer are getting richer and the rest of us are staying the same or going backward. Started in the '70's

Is Obamacare 1,2,or 3?

I am amazed that we don't agree!:conf2:

(heavy sigh)

BamaFlum · Apr 13, 2013

Didn't the pilgrims or some other pioneer try socialism and it failed miserably?

seebell · Apr 13, 2013

CajunCrimson said:
(heavy sigh)

Gonna go play with my swamp eels.

banjeaux · Apr 13, 2013

VIDEO: John F. Kennedy - Inaugural Address 1960

The politics of Democrat President John F. Kennedy was to the right of former President George W. Bush, even. Since Kennedy's assassination, almost fifty years ago, our country has been on a down-hill slide toward socialism. During Republican administrations, that down-hill slide has only been not as steep.

"Ask not what your country can do for you ..."

1944 quote of Norman Matoon Thomas

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