You figure at this stage the serious ones go snail mail and all cash for purchases. If they continue with this data collection then the goals may have been aligned with IRS.
Judge orders Verizon to hand over all cell phone call data to NSA
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I've read articles stating the NSA has the computing power to electronically analyse the conversation of every call in the US simultaneously. You don't build that computing power and plug it into the telcos unless you plan on using it.
I guess I assumed everyone had to know that this is what the NSA was doing. Well with regards to the actual recording of the call. I looked at it this way.
The process probably went something like:
1. Identify somebody who they think wants to do something bad.
2. Flag that phone number in a system to monitor for calls to other "known" bad guys. The computer then scans the meta data for connections to other bad guys and throws up a flag if it finds something.
--A. Here is where it broke down for me, you can monitor metadata all day long but what happens when you finally get proof that the person is likely doing something nefarious? If you don't already have those calls stored so that say, 6 months from the beginning of monitoring a positive hit comes up that says you should be monitoring the guy, you now have enough evidence to get a warrant. If you haven't already been storing those calls, you are stupid because with a warrant you can go back and mine all those conversations for other potential terrorists. So since you are already "sniffing" everything that comes across, it now makes sense to just save each and every one, storage is ridiculously cheap and what do they care about cost? They are the government.
It goes back to the stories about the NSA being directly tapped into ATT & Verison.
The process probably went something like:
1. Identify somebody who they think wants to do something bad.
2. Flag that phone number in a system to monitor for calls to other "known" bad guys. The computer then scans the meta data for connections to other bad guys and throws up a flag if it finds something.
--A. Here is where it broke down for me, you can monitor metadata all day long but what happens when you finally get proof that the person is likely doing something nefarious? If you don't already have those calls stored so that say, 6 months from the beginning of monitoring a positive hit comes up that says you should be monitoring the guy, you now have enough evidence to get a warrant. If you haven't already been storing those calls, you are stupid because with a warrant you can go back and mine all those conversations for other potential terrorists. So since you are already "sniffing" everything that comes across, it now makes sense to just save each and every one, storage is ridiculously cheap and what do they care about cost? They are the government.
It goes back to the stories about the NSA being directly tapped into ATT & Verison.
Well, you do not build facilities like they have unless you intend to use them for something. None of this should be surprising.
It came out a couple of days ago that they are storing the content as well. They didn't say how far back...
Sorry for the late response...been kind of busy the past few days...and the next few will be busy too.
The facts are still coming out with this. We don't really know everything that happened yet. But if it was the case that there was an imminent terrorist threat that the NSA was preventing and they didn't have time to get a warrant, then I would have no issue with them listening without one. However, if they were just listening randomly or something, then I would in fact have an issue with that.
Where do you stop? I bet the government can detain and interrogate every citizen and stop lots more attacks. And if it works so well, where were they during the Boston Marathon? Honestly I'm tired of stuff being forced on me because of 9/11. Here is an interesting article where some of the stupid protective measures the US government put in place at the airport cause more deaths since 9/11 than all of 9/11 and the war since.
Did you know the odds of dying in a terrorist attack is 1 in 20,000,000? The odds of dying from a bee attack is 1 in 71,107. Where is all the government protection from the bees??????
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so if you die because you try to hit a bunch of bees that land on your head with a frying pan does it count as intentional self harm or bee attack.Where do you stop? I bet the government can detain and interrogate every citizen and stop lots more attacks. And if it works so well, where were they during the Boston Marathon? Honestly I'm tired of stuff being forced on me because of 9/11. Here is an interesting article where some of the stupid protective measures the US government put in place at the airport cause more deaths since 9/11 than all of 9/11 and the war since.
Did you know the odds of dying in a terrorist attack is 1 in 20,000,000. The odds of dying from a bee attack is 1 in 71,107. Where is all the government protection from the bees??????
Good question. The government probably should declare war on bees and ban frying pans just in case.
That was 2009. I wonder what that number was in 2001. And I wonder what that number would be if, G-d forbid, a terrorist was able to take out a full football stadium like I mentioned earlier in the thread?
Israel is the most targeted country for terror attacks in the world. (Definitely per capita, and maybe overall too.) Do you know what the leading cost of death is in Israel? Traffic accidents. So does that mean that they should let their guard down because death by terrorism isn't number one? Not for a moment. If you give the militant Islamists an inch, they will take a mile...and by deadly force too.
Give me liberty, with reasonable restrictions based upon empirical, unbiased, cost-benefit analysis, or fail to provide me with guaranteed access to affordable health care.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/google-microsoft-twitter-facebook-user-data-fisa-charts
Charts: Here's How Often Google and Facebook Say Yes to Government Snoopscatch.
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Charts: Here's How Often Google and Facebook Say Yes to Government Snoopscatch.
the FBI and the Department of Justice granted permission on Friday to disclose the number of FISA requests they get—but with a pretty big catch.
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Just a question. Are you affiliated with mother jones? I read them regularly as well as things from the right to hopefully come up with something in the middle so I respect what they do. This is just the second or third plug I have seen for them from you.http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/google-microsoft-twitter-facebook-user-data-fisa-charts
Charts: Here's How Often Google and Facebook Say Yes to Government Snoopscatch.
the FBI and the Department of Justice granted permission on Friday to disclose the number of FISA requests they get—but with a pretty big catch.
If you liked this info please subscribe to Mother Jones. Especially you JPT
JPT called it a leftist rag after one of my well reasoned intelligent posts. So I guess I'm trying to aggravate him and probably some others. No affiliation here.
It is good to get perspective from both sides.
It is good to get perspective from both sides.
Yeah but Mother Jones and Huffington Post aren't both sides. Just saying.
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U.S. bugged E.U. as well.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/29/us-usa-eu-spying-idUSBRE95S0AQ20130629
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/29/us-usa-eu-spying-idUSBRE95S0AQ20130629
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