Johnny Manziel investigated by NCAA (will miss first half vs Rice)

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Oops - double tap.

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Crimson1967 said:

Little brother cow colleges have to stick together.

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I hope this doesn't mark the beginning of A&M being lumped in with other SEC "cow colleges". A&M may be a lot of things, but it ain't the barn.

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MightyWingman said:

Obviously you haven't seen our joke of a schedule.

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Fair enough, but Manziel is your offense. You lose him, you struggle like Mizzou in the SEC.

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BamainBoston said:

Legal evidence?

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Yes, as in obtained in a legal manner with proper authenticity and reliability. Not hearsay ESPN articles. Any competent multi-million dollar football program should demand this in making their decisions, no?

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jagvocate said:

Yes, as in obtained in a legal manner with proper authenticity and reliability. Not hearsay ESPN articles. Any competent multi-million dollar football program should demand this in making their decisions, no?

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I'm guessing you aren't familiar with the Albert Means case...


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jagvocate said:

Yes, as in obtained in a legal manner with proper authenticity and reliability. Not hearsay ESPN articles. Any competent multi-million dollar football program should demand this in making their decisions, no?

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If you think the NCAA acts in an even-handed manner with consistent enforcement toward programs, above-board dealings with burden of proof and keeps within its own rules... to borrow a line from Game of Thrones... you haven't been paying attention.

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crimsonaudio said:

When there's been this much smoke, the University of Alabama has acted proactively in the past - one player isn't worth losing an entire season over.

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Do you mean in hearsay autograph-signing allegations, or in some other types of cases? I am positive that facts are gathered in making decisions and that newspaper reports or Internet reports aren't taken at face value before making such important decisions. Facts drive decisions for all programs, not "smoke."

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The moral of the story?
Never trust an autograph broker looking to score new rims for his sled.

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jagvocate said:

Do you mean in hearsay autograph-signing allegations, or in some other types of cases? I am positive that facts are gathered in making decisions and that newspaper reports or Internet reports aren't taken at face value before making such important decisions. Facts drive decisions for all programs, not "smoke."

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I agree that we lack proof at this point, but only fools and aTm fans believe that Manziel is innocent in this. Too many people telling very similar stories about separate instances. Occam's Razor.

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Well, this maybe it for JM.

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The problem now for Mr. Foosball is this - unlike the sCam case, where there were offers to pay but no direct accusations that any specific individual ever actually did pay, now you have someone saying "I paid him cash money". That is where a government agency that is paid to collect taxes on income such as this (maybe you've heard of them) gets involved. That body does have the authority to subpoena things like video tapes and bank records. At this point if I am TAMU I sit him until this is sorted out, but then I do understand the earlier post - what do they have to lose, take the barn strategy and hope for the best.

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BocaLance said:

The moral of the story?Never trust an autograph broker looking to score new rims for his sled.

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I think I saw that car in front of McFarland mall

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We don't even have proof of its existence right now. All we have is ESPN...and they do not bat 1.00 in the truth department. A guilty Johnny Manziel should sit. But no one, anywhere, in any type of responsible athletic department should cut him based off of ESPN articles. That decision is made off of authentic legal evidence. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've just not seen that come to light yet. I've seen one pic of Manziel in a hotel room and Joe Schadd stories about videos that may or may not exist.

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jagvocate said:

We don't even have proof of its existence right now. All we have is ESPN...and they do not bat 1.00 in the truth department. A guilty Johnny Manziel should sit. But no one, anywhere, in any type of responsible athletic department should cut him based off of ESPN articles. That decision is made off of authentic legal evidence. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've just not seen that come to light yet. I've seen one pic of Manziel in a hotel room and Joe Schadd stories about videos that may or may not exist.

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Does the rest of the Aggie fan base share your thoughts? If so, you're a naive group.

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The visitors from aTm are like the guy that has multiple friends tell him that his girlfriend is, and has been, out and about with other guys, but he chooses to ignore it because none of them have shown him 'authentic, legally obtained video'. Well alright then, after all, she's your girlfriend...

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Anyone who's ever had a newspaper report done on an event that they personally know a lot about will tell you that the media gets things wrong. It is not being naive to ask for the NCAA to present their evidence, and not cut Manziel based on Joe Schadd. He and Darren Ravell have blown stories before, and will do it again.

Manziel will be suspended or not based on evidence, not Internet articles. That's real world decision making.

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jagvocate said:

Anyone who's ever had a newspaper report done on an event that they personally know a lot about will tell you that the media gets things wrong. It is not being naive to ask for the NCAA to present their evidence, and not cut Manziel based on Joe Schadd. He and Darren Ravell have blown stories before, and will do it again.

Manziel will be suspended or not based on evidence, not Internet articles. That's real world decision making.

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Have you paid any attention to NCAA investigations? Who did the investigative work against USC? UNC? Miami? Ohio State? Auburn? Oregon?

The NCAA didn't do the work without some help.

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I don't think ESPN would lie about the video. And frankly that video may be enough to damn Manziel. The burden of proof is somewhere around "preponderance of evidence" for the NCAA, not "we have to account for every dollar until it becomes a suspend-able amount."

The issue with the Cam Newton case was that MSU only provided evidence that Cecil Newton attempted to gather benefits not that he took them from Auburn. Common sense says the late flip had to do with some newfound income but Auburn did a great job of stonewalling and/or laundering the money. This case has two brokers stating he sought money and got it from them AND they have a video of Manziel giving one the wink-wink, nudge-nudge this didn't happen deal.