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Florida Tom

Florida Tom

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Well it took me a while to be able to respond even after reading everyone's comments. I do not get the API folks in my face everyday like a lot of you but I do feel for the Bama fan that has to put up with that.

This game is rarely about the Best team but the team that takes advantage of its opportunities.

API did we did not.

We can second guess every play call, who played who did not till the cows come home (no pund intended). But really it boiled down to exactly what the experts said, we could not stop their running game & we failed to move the ball after we crossed mid field. Seeing CNS on TV kinda made me worry, its loses like this that make some coaches give up & get out.

I think everyone did their best but we were not a prepared as we have been in the past.

Most of all I'm really sad for AJ he represented our school with so much class I thought it was only fair that he be rewarded for all he has done.

The Kick Bama kick will be around now for decades, No one remembers the 73 score after the punt Bama punt game UNLESS we win by more than 55.
 
CaliforniaTide

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Bama Reb said:
Yes, it sucks. But even this won't make me hide my Bama gear, or, heaven forbid, hoist an *U flag.
No, we won't be doing the 3-peat, at least not this year. Maybe never. Maybe no team ever will..
But so what? This is only a college and this is only a game.
RTR :biga:
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There's a reason a legitimate three-peat has never happened since before 1950, probably never since Minnesota in the 1920s or 1930s. It is extremely tough to do. I figured that odds were so low in our favor that at some point, we were going to lose the chance to play for a three-peat. The last team to attempt this, USC, barely got through the Pac-10 schedule before losing to Texas in the national championship game.

No team will ever win a three-peat in the way college football is set up today.
 
JTBama

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Actually, I am not as upset or sick as I once would have been. It's one thing if you play your best game and lose, it's another if you play one of your worse games and lose. Auburn did what they had to do and took advantage of what Bama gave them, which was a lot. There were so many busts and missed opportunities that it was starting to seem more difficult to see a Bama victory. Auburn may not have the best players, but they had the better team effort on this particular day and in reality that's all that matters. The talent has to execute to reveal its star power.I will make no excuses for officials or play calling (though I have my gripes) because even with the plays called, we had our opportunities. I woke up this morning and guess what.....I was still breathing, the sun was shining, it's December the most magical time of the year (which I love) and my family is still here. I long ago left my Sunday morning Grinch attitude when Bama lost on Saturday. It was bound to happen and I very well thought this would be the game. Here's to the seniors going out on on a high note in a Bowl game and the start of a new Bama team taking the field next year. Roll Tide!!!
 
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This is horrible. I lived through the 2010 game and thought I would never see something that awful but this one is worse. The disgusting cocktail of mistakes on our part to set this loss up are shocking. It's a total team loss not one aspect of our team could say they couldn't have done much better except maybe aj. I'm numb in a way I can't explain.
 
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RollTide1224 said:
This is horrible. I lived through the 2010 game and thought I would never see something that awful but this one is worse. The disgusting cocktail of mistakes on our part to set this loss up are shocking. It's a total team loss not one aspect of our team could say they couldn't have done much better except maybe aj. I'm numb in a way I can't explain.
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You are dead on. I know how the loss happened but I still don't know how it happened........I knew they would have to have a monumentally bad game in order to lose and did not think a catastrophe that big was possible...apparently, it was.
 
rgw

rgw

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I know everybody will just chalk up second guessing to "well, it is easy to say you'd do the opposite of what didn't work." To be sure, often the armchair coordinators are often guilty of this offense. In the short yardage situation, I think I have a legitimate point though. It has been a bugaboo against LSU, MSU, and Auburn. We've tried to call "identity" runs because we're Alabama and we run the dang ball therefore we should get 1-2 yards in a clutch spot. It hadn't exactly been successful like 2012. At some point, we needed to say "teams are just plugging up every gap and we can't get it done" then dial up the play action bootleg where we give AJ two route options and the possibility to tuck it and run.

I don't think we did a great job of keeping the run-pass balance in short yardage towards the end of the season. We wanted to call "identity" runs but our identity was really more or less a balanced passing offense that could run against defenses having to respect the pass. This wasn't 2012 where the run game could dang near get a first down on the ground from any down or distance. In that moment, I think it was the exact time to show that you trust your QB to make a decision with the football in the face of a defensive front packing guys in-between the tackles.
 
RJ YellowHammer

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rgw said:
In all of our short yardage head-shakers in this game, you had to wonder why we didn't put the ball in the hands of AJ just ONCE of a play action roll out. When you have a guy that you say is the best QB in America and played well after some early miscues, why not let AJ be the trigger guy for a critical conversion? Two of the last three games Alabama since 2010 has lost have been directly accountable to severe kicking specialist breakdowns.

We didn't win the LOS in this game but with a little more trust in our QB I think Alabama walks away with a close win. Instead, you were left wondering what the staff was thinking. Its understandable because we are use to making those plays in those situations but after seeing it happen several times in THIS game you have to wonder why the roll out wasn't used more often in short yardage.

You also have to wonder about this staff's approach to recruiting specialists. The best kicker under Saban was signed by Shula and was an Alabama legacy. In other words, he was gift. They've missed the mark on specialists frequently in recruiting. Shelley needed to be in the redzone to have a chance most days. Foster has been a headcase in any pressure game or situation in his four seasons and hardly a dominant force on kickoffs to boot. Several other punters and kickers have stopped by for a season or two and shown the door. When they clearly weren't better than Shelley or Foster then you have to figure they were abject duds. When we can recruit elite linemen and backers and perimeter guys with such ease, why aren't we burning the midnight oil to find these converted soccer players to kick and rugby guys to punt? We've had two undefeated seasons compromised by specialists not making tough pressure kicks because frankly they needed all their mental focus to just be decent. We need some naturals at placekickers...if it means Saban going on a South American safari to find them then so be it.
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True, CNS mishandled several of the short yardage situations, but if the bootleg you're talking about was unsuccessful every arm chair head coach would be saying something to the effect of "OMG, you've got TJ Yeldon why wouldn't you run the ball?!?!?!?! Didn't think you could get one yard on the ground?!?!?!" I know they'd be saying this because it happened against aTm last season at the goal line. The 2nd guessers were out in full force.

Look, we got outplayed and out coached yesterday. I'm sure CNS would like to have the 4th and 1 at the 13 to do over again because it's an obvious place to kick the FG. He got it wrong... so?

I really don't understand the train of thought that produces sentiments like this:

rgw said:
JessN has a point about Saban in this game though. Lesser coaches have lost in less disastrously miscoached ways in this rivalry and taken far more significant slack. Nick Saban is fortunate that he is 4-time BCS title champion Nick Saban or he'd be getting crucified for how he handled the high leverage stages of this game where Alabama could have won it with any score.
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CNS won't be getting "crucified" for anything unless we're idiots! Coach Saban isn't "fortunate" to have 4 Coaches Trophies. He's wildly successful. Those "lesser coaches" are easy to second guess because we'd have gotten stepped on and lost by 3 TDs yesterday. You know? "Honk if you sacked Brody." We lost our biggest rivalry game in heart breaking fashion while trying to put a big Crimson Stamp in the history books, but we were on the edge of history because of Coach Saban. Everybody's disappointed, but we all need to step back and look at this from 1000 ft before we start saying crazy things like "holding CNS accountable for his mediocre record against Auburn." I under estimated API; I think a lot of people did, but they're a top 3 team and we lost a heart breaker on the road. You lose a lot of those games. Seriously expecting CNS to win all of them would make us the spoiled, unappreciative fan base that some make us out to be.

Regardless of what happened yesterday, the football program at Alabama is the envy of the college football world. CNS will learn from this loss. Many in our fan base could stand to learn a thing or two also.

RTR!
 
rgw

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Well, that was certainly part of my point: Nick Saban is fortunate to be Nick Saban, who has earned the benefit of the doubt more than any other coach in the nation, because those late game decisions were the kind of things that put less successful coaches on the the hotseat.


I am not calling for the witch hunt, simply pointing out that if this was Nick Saban with his 2000 resume then he'd be getting crucified with some justification. When you've won four titles in your career, people aren't going to gather the pitchforks and torches for a poorly prepared gameplan and in-game playcalling.

And the key point you're glossing over is that the 2012 team was proven to be able to mash on teams in short yardage while the 2013 was proven to struggle in the same scenario. To me, if you're going to be hyper-aggressive on 4th and 1 deep in Auburn territory then you might as well be hyper-aggressive in your playcalling especially since the OL+TE/H-B hadn't shown the ability to pave out a tough yard in recent weeks. It's an apples to oranges comparison in my opinion.
 
RJ YellowHammer

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rgw said:
Well, that was certainly part of my point: Nick Saban is fortunate to be Nick Saban, who has earned the benefit of the doubt more than any other coach in the nation, because those late game decisions were the kind of things that put less successful coaches on the the hotseat.


I am not calling for the witch hunt, simply pointing out that if this was Nick Saban with his 2000 resume then he'd be getting crucified with some justification. When you've won four titles in your career, people aren't going to gather the pitchforks and torches for a poorly prepared gameplan and in-game playcalling.

And the key point you're glossing over is that the 2012 team was proven to be able to mash on teams in short yardage while the 2013 was proven to struggle in the same scenario. To me, if you're going to be hyper-aggressive on 4th and 1 deep in Auburn territory then you might as well be hyper-aggressive in your playcalling especially since the OL+TE/H-B hadn't shown the ability to pave out a tough yard in recent weeks. It's an apples to oranges comparison in my opinion.
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If this were Nick Saban with his 2000 resume he wouldn't be the HC at Alabama to start with, so that's a strange thing to point out. Successful people aren't fortunate to be successful. CNS isn't given any credit that he hasn't earned by stock pilling trophies in the Mal Moore Complex like we need them for survival during a doomsday scenario.

Your point about hedging the aggression is dead on. If you're going to go for it, go for it, but you and I both know that if the play is unsuccessful he's going to get second guessed no matter what. Sure, the 2012 group was better at carving out yardage. CNS and Nuss were banking on being able to gain three and a half feet. In fact, if we'd executed a little better we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I would've kicked the FG to begin with, but I'm gutless. ;)
 
rgw

rgw

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If the Dookies and Sparty shock the world, we're going to the championship. I don't think we deserve it necessarily with how we choked in a big moment, but the system is flawed and I'll take it with only minor reservation. If this was the playoff system, we'd still likely be in the playoff field with a chance at the championship...so you know.


Too bad we aren't rooting for their basketball teams in this scenario.
 
Boo Radley

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We_are_Bama said:
This is why we dig in next Saturday and pull for Urban Cryer like NEVER before.
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Never! FSU will find a way to play Winston in the BCSNC, so tOSU or barn will lose. If tOSU loses, it's status quo, and if the barn, then they'll have the dubious distinction of being the team that broke the SEC streak. So, I won't pull for either.

Go Mizzou!
 
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Personally I think the one area where our coaching could improve is situational or crisis mode planning.

I know coaches don't like to think they can't get one yard when needed on the ground. But I think before the game it would useful to do some planning for what to do if X happens. What play you gonna call if the defense is whipping your OL? That kind of stuff.

While difficult to defend the AU offense is not designed currently to come from 21 down to win on a regular basis. This game it would have seemed better for is to pass more to get us down field and into scoring position and get a sustainable lead.

But this is 2 times ('10 and '13) where we have gotten too conservative against this offense rather than continuing to increase our lead beyond reach.

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BamaFlum

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JDCrimson said:
Personally I think the one area where our coaching could improve is situational or crisis mode planning.

I know coaches don't like to think they can't get one yard when needed on the ground. But I think before the game it would useful to do some planning for what to do if X happens. What play you gonna call if the defense is whipping your OL? That kind of stuff.

While difficult to defend the AU offense is not designed currently to come from 21 down to win on a regular basis. This game it would have seemed better for is to pass more to get us down field and into scoring position and get a sustainable lead.

But this is 2 times ('10 and '13) where we have gotten too conservative against this offense rather than continuing to increase our lead beyond reach.

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This is what perplexes me more than the defensive lapses. We have a 3 yr starter, veteran WR, and capable RB and can't figure out a way to get one frikkin yard unless it is a run up the middle.


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