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No such thing as stealing plays outside of wiretapping the other team's headsets. Whether they're signaled in via hand signals or a big picture board, or simply shouted in ala "Run the inside trap!" it's still language. If the opposing team hears (or sees) and understands that language, they're going to use it, as they should. Should have used a bigger towel.
 
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Bamaboda1

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Several years ago, there was a movie called "The Emperors Club" that dealt with the issue of ethics. Seemingly inconsequential things that are never addressed, and how they impact the future. Starred Kevin Kline and quite an excellent cast. I found it thought-provoking, and strongly recommended it to family and close friends. Good life lessons for all ~12 and older.
I recommend it to y'all for entertainment during the "down days" between recruiting and A Day. Acceptable viewing for the family, and a good discussion starter for families who like to do that sort of thing. Didn't get a lot of public "buzz" because no sex/violence and subject matter that most are not interested in (as evidenced by our current state of affairs in government/public affairs)
Not passing judgement on the Auburn game, just recommending a good film.
 
CrimsonForce

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Its part of the game IMO. If you know there is a coach on the other team that knows your play calls and signals then change them. If you don't change your signals in that situation IMO its your own fault.
 
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I'd be quite surprised if there aren't coaches who've approached some mathematics/statistics/cpu programmers and asked them to enter in all the various cards, signs, plays, etc opposition teams now hold up looking to crack the play calling. I certainly would do it.

Additionally I worked with a former minor league baseball player who coached his sons teams for years who talked of how he had someone doing signals all the time and they were all false. His pitching signals were determined by weather he was leaning against something, standing up straight, or had his arms folded. Said opposition were all the time writing down all those signs and never knew anyone to catch-on.
 
crimsonaudio

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How is it 'stealing plays' if they're openly calling them, KNOWING a former coach in on the other sideline?

This doesn't speak poorly of the cows, imo, but rather how little foresight Jimbo has / had leading into this season / game.
 
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MBA_99

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If we are finisbed with the ethics discussion...

Does this mean without signal stealing FSU could've beaten Auburn by, say, 21-35 points?
 
lelandhorne

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Isaiah 63:1 said:
If you don't change the locks on your new house, and the previous owner comes back and steals all your stuff, I don't know if you're getting what you deserve in that case, but the former owner is most certainly committing a crime.
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Your argument is idiotic. Signals are broadcast for all willing to receive them, nothing is stolen by listening or watching in. It's the responsibility of the signal broadcaster to obfuscate anything that he doesn't want prying eyes to see or hear.

Have you ever logged onto an unlocked wifi connection? How about a password protected wifi signal named LINKSYS or NETGEAR?
 
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theBIGyowski

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We're also acting like AU didn't have an entire season's worth of film to break down prior to the BCSCG. Sooooo much time is spent in the film room breaking down every play and formation in order to prepare offenses and defenses.

Another thing...Craig was never coach at FSU when Winston was QB...so I am struggling to see how he would have had any inside knowledge of their 2013 offense beyond what he'd know from breaking down film. The only thing Craig would know is the language used at the LOS...which he could have used to prepare the checks made by the defense before the snap. That is up to FSU to change. FSU used the same signals the entire 2013 season. Any coach or fan would have been able to scout them and diagram their signals vs plays by January.
 
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Is this not basically what New England lost draft picks for?? I understand that is the NFL, but I would think that the ethics would be one in the same?? NCAA might not have the level of ethics as the NFL??
 
RTR91

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bamapuppy said:
Is this not basically what New England lost draft picks for?? I understand that is the NFL, but I would think that the ethics would be one in the same?? NCAA might not have the level of ethics as the NFL??
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No. The Patriots got in trouble for videotaping opponents' walk-through practice.
 
Pluck and Grit

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This explains the otherwise unexplainable, how the barn's below average defense was able to contain FSU for half of the game.

And that shouldn't happen to a coach who is getting paid what Jimbo Fisher is getting paid.
 
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Pluck and Grit said:
This explains the otherwise unexplainable, how the barn's below average defense was able to contain FSU for half of the game.
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I doubt that quite a bit. Auburn didn't contain FSU for "half of the game," they practically contained them all night. Their collective backs were broken on by their own failures, namely busted coverage on the kickoff return and two whiffed tackles on a simple 3-yard hook route on the final drive. Going into that final drive, through 58 minutes (which included 10 drives), FSU had only 20 points, just 298 yards of total offense on 58 snaps, lost a fumble, and gave up 4 sacks. That's containment and a lot more to boot.

I think the better explanation is just that FSU and Winston had no real answer for the Auburn defensive front seven, and in particular the pass rush from the DL. Those guys kept FSU spinning in their tracks all night long, and they just hadn't seen anything like it.
 
Pluck and Grit

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BigEasyTider said:
I doubt that quite a bit. Auburn didn't contain FSU for "half of the game," they practically contained them all night. Their collective backs were broken on by their own failures, namely busted coverage on the kickoff return and two whiffed tackles on a simple 3-yard hook route on the final drive. Going into that final drive, through 58 minutes (which included 10 drives), FSU had only 20 points, just 298 yards of total offense on 58 snaps, lost a fumble, and gave up 4 sacks. That's containment and a lot more to boot.

I think the better explanation is just that FSU and Winston had no real answer for the Auburn defensive front seven, and in particular the pass rush from the DL. Those guys kept FSU spinning in their tracks all night long, and they just hadn't seen anything like it.
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I happen to agree with all that too, while still agreeing with my own point. Watching the game, I thought there was no way FSU would have made it undefeated through the SEC or PAC 12, and likewise, there was no doubt in my mind we'd have been undefeated and in the BCSCG had we played FSU's schedule. One of the SEC's below average defenses made them look very mortal. I have virtually no respect for ACC football these days.
 
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