Tide Sports Reporting Tony Brown Arrest

I just hope this problem is dealt with, rather than being covered up like it appears they are trying to do. You don't fix problems by pretending they never happened.

Also, to those that rush to judgement... you always have to pay attention to what someone is accused of. There are things you look for when someone might not have actually done anything wrong, and right at the top of the list would be "resisting arrest". There have been a lot of incidents in which I didn't suggest the police did anything wrong, but I called this into question from the start simply because of what the charges were. If you're a power tripping jerk, and you want to get rough with someone, you yell "resisting" and then proceed to demonstrate how unfit you are for your job...

Here's another hint, most people don't actually "resist arrest", if they never actually did anything wrong... because they'd never be arrested in the first place if not for an overzealous jerk. Cops like the resisting arrest thing to, because they can use it as leverage so it isn't just "cop attacks innocent person".

Imagine what would happen to most of us if we followed some guy around yelling at him, pepper sprayed him, and then started waving our gun around?

I don't know all of the facts, but this isn't the image I would want as a parent of my son being away at school with this type of issue.

It's the off season so I'm going to tell my story:

My office was robbed years ago. By the next day, I knew who did it, I knew where my stuff was, and I had a witness willing to tell the police she had seen the stolen stuff, which was enough to get them a warrant to search his place. (The witness was the crook's sister-in-law, she called me up and said she would rat him out for a $100, so I paid her to do that.)

My problem then became the police's schedule...they explained mine wasn't the only crime they had to deal with, they would have my situation wrapped up within 6 months. I should be patient and not butt into police business. I wanted them to arrest the guy & get my stuff back, if they waited a long time, my things would be gone.

So I demanded to see the Chief of Police, I was going over the detectives' heads. This wasn't the thing to do, but I was upset. So when they escorted my to the Chief's office, he was not happy, but willing to hear me out.

At that time, the Chief of Police in my hometown was active here on Tidefans, and I was a lot more active than I have been lately. We had had a cordial friendship thru our connection on Tidefans. So I walked into the Chief's office, and introduced myself as Chukker Veteran, and called him by his Tidefans handle. He was dumbfounded but receptive, recognizing my handle immediately. I explained my concerns about delaying the arrest, he agreed, they wrapped up my deal within a few days.

We've been friends using our real names ever since.

That's a true story, and I figured some might find it interesting.

mikeua69 said:

Update

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2014/01/witnesses_say_police_the_aggre.html

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Now, How many people will change their opinions based off of this report?

Chukker Veteran said:

A little off topic, but I seem to remember a long time ago we were discussing another football player who got arrested in T'town, only to find out later it was a barner cop who even had a barner tag on his cop car.

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That was Rashad Johnson, arrested in 2008, charged with disorderly conduct. It then turned out that the arresting officer had a barner tag on his police car.

afadam07 said:

Now, How many people will change their opinions based off of this report?

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Not as many as you might think.

I think we would all do well in instances like these to wait for CNS to comment. If he thinks you are past all hope as a person, not just a football player, you will be gone from the program. We have too much talent on the roster to let "thugs" run the program. CNS stands behind this kid and so do I. I hope in 3 years we are hearing how much this helped Brown grow up and become a man.

KrAzY3 said:

I just hope this problem is dealt with, rather than being covered up like it appears they are trying to do. You don't fix problems by pretending they never happened.

Also, to those that rush to judgement... you always have to pay attention to what someone is accused of. There are things you look for when someone might not have actually done anything wrong, and right at the top of the list would be "resisting arrest". There have been a lot of incidents in which I didn't suggest the police did anything wrong, but I called this into question from the start simply because of what the charges were. If you're a power tripping jerk, and you want to get rough with someone, you yell "resisting" and then proceed to demonstrate how unfit you are for your job...

Here's another hint, most people don't actually "resist arrest", if they never actually did anything wrong... because they'd never be arrested in the first place if not for an overzealous jerk. Cops like the resisting arrest thing to, because they can use it as leverage so it isn't just "cop attacks innocent person".

Imagine what would happen to most of us if we followed some guy around yelling at him, pepper sprayed him, and then started waving our gun around?

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Not to mention the other charge: failure to obey. Wasn't like he was charged with robbery or DUI and resisted to the cops arresting him.

This is why I generally wait a few days to see what is going on. Now we see why...

This is all that I need. We need to move on from this.

"He's doing fine," Saban said. "Some people were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some people don't make good decisions about what they say.
"Tony Brown is a fine young man, and we are glad to have him in the program. We'll use this as a learning experience for him. The punishment he receives will be so he'll learn to not do this in a disrespectful way to people in a authority who are there to protect us all, which is our police."

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Ole Man Dan said:

GPD has been doing Psych's for a number of years.
First hand knowledge sez It doesn't keep out bad apples.
As a retired LEO let me say that the posted video don't jibe with the officers story.
Quite the opposite.
To me it sounds like an IA Investigation will be forthcoming. Video can be an officers best friend,
when he's in the right. It can be necessary evidence against an officer who is misusing his authority.
I do agree that I've seen too many little guys with the 'Little Big Man Syndrome'.
Thats what we called em.
There's no cure for the 'Barney Fyfes'(sp) of this world,
except separating them from jobs with authority over others.

In an age where everyone has a cellphone with video capabilities;
I wonder how an officer can be so stupid?
I can't condone the apparent actions of an officer caught being a jerk on film.

Example: Years ago I broke up several gatherings in parking lots, just by saying...
'Hey guys, take it inside, people have complained'. Most complied.
Was it the way I talked to them, or the fact I've always been a big guy,
and seldom had to prove myself? Don't know.

I do know that poor judgement was exercised that night by the officers, and the students.
The actions I saw on film make every officer look bad.
Thats a 'Black Eye' TPD doesn't need.

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Agree.

This morning, while taking my son to school, I observed the officers directing traffic. They were veteran police officers, all of whom I have worked with as a juvenile criminal defense attorney. I thought of the young officers we have in our town and how 99.9% of any police "drama" comes from these young men. They have the "little big man" syndrome and they think that their position as a police officer EARNS them respect. This is part of the problem. They think that just because they wear the uniform and carry the gun that they deserve respect. Somewhere along the way, their training fell short or they just don't care because they are "THE AUTHORITY" now. They don't now how to talk to juveniles who are in trouble and they ask for trouble. These young cops will say things to instigate attitude with the young kids in trouble. These kids already HATE LEO's and have no respect for them so why would you act in a way to make that persona worse? How about try to help the kid see the error of his ways with constructive criticism? LAWD, I could go on and on but I won't.

Bottom line is regardless of what side of the LAW you are on, EVERYONE has to earn respect. Period.

To be fair, the minority community typical has a very low degree of respect for the criminal justice system because of a long history of laws and strategy in the system being "between the lines" racial targeting. That's not really on the LEOs because they're the foot soldiers. Still, it is a vicious circle that creates greater insubordination from minorities when they intersect with the police. They assume that they're about to get screwed either way.

Always hear how it is going to be used as a "learning experience" for the players involved,

maybe, just maybe, this can be used as a learning experience for the officers.

I am also concerned that Brown might not want to stay now. Would you if you think is how you are going to be treated?

I couldn't tell anything by what I seen on here.

hacksaw830 said:

This probably needs to go in the NS section, but my son is a Marine, Force Recon/MARSOC Marine and he DOES NOT need to be a policeman. I don't think he would fare very well in a civilian situation. Lets just say he and his kind have not been trained to negotiate and a little pepper spray or a taser would be the least someone would need to worry about. Im proud of my Marine but I don't want to know what he has done while serving his country nor have I asked and I am prior Army myself. But we can have a nice little forum to debate this stuff because of people like him and also some of these LE officers we are running down. I don't think a true force recon Marine that's been to the sand box needs to be exposed to civilian LEO, it would not be good for public relations. Just my two cents. Maybe some P.O.G. Marine pencil pusher, but a force recon? that sounds like a law suit to me. I think Police these days need to be politicians more than real cops. My son would have been a great cop 25 or 30 years ago, but today.....No way.

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I wasn't going to post on TF any longer...my reasons. But, I still lurk and see this. First let me point out... someone's IQ is questionable for even posting this. Having served in the United States Marine Corps, I would like the poster to know, a great percentage of the Marine Corps are not 03s and are indeed people other than grunts, or as you called them, P.O.G. (stupid term btw). They are also the reason 0331 Marines and their like can even function. Without them, there is no Corps. Second, I know/knew quite a few Recon Marines in my day and they would make outstanding police officers, teachers, fireman, or any other profession they chose. Saying they can't function beyond the Marines Corps in real world situations is selling them way short. Tell your son this 03 then later POG said Semper Fi.

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Leeroy said:

I wasn't going to post on TF any longer...my reasons. But, I still lurk and see this. First let me point out... someone's IQ is questionable for even posting this. Having served in the United States Marine Corps, I would like the poster to know, a great percentage of the Marine Corps are not 03s and are indeed people other than grunts, or as you called them, P.O.G. (stupid term btw). They are also the reason 0331 Marines and their like can even function. Without them, there is no Corps. Second, I know/knew quite a few Recon Marines in my day and they would make outstanding police officers, teachers, fireman, or any other profession they chose. Saying they can't function beyond the Marines Corps in real world situations is selling them way short. Tell your son this 03 then later POG said Semper Fi.

Lurking once again...


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Semper Fi

Wolfman said:

I am also concerned that Brown might not want to stay now. Would you if you think is how you are going to be treated?

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As Boston put it, seriously doubt it.

Leeroy said:

I wasn't going to post on TF any longer...my reasons. But, I still lurk and see this. First let me point out... someone's IQ is questionable for even posting this. Having served in the United States Marine Corps, I would like the poster to know, a great percentage of the Marine Corps are not 03s and are indeed people other than grunts, or as you called them, P.O.G. (stupid term btw). They are also the reason 0331 Marines and their like can even function. Without them, there is no Corps. Second, I know/knew quite a few Recon Marines in my day and they would make outstanding police officers, teachers, fireman, or any other profession they chose. Saying they can't function beyond the Marines Corps in real world situations is selling them way short. Tell your son this 03 then later POG said Semper Fi.

Lurking once again...


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Rah and RTR

I want to thank the mods for allowing this thread to continue. Many different points of view have been heard and most if not all have handled themselves well. I will say again let's hope the truth comes to light.