It's official - Russia enters Crimea

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twofbyc said:

I had to stop laughing before I respond. You do not have a clue. None of those people want to be a part of Mexico, that's why they left.

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Mexico as it exists, probably not.
Mexico with the areas listed annexed, probably so.

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Bamaro said:

Mexico as it exists, probably not.
Mexico with the areas listed annexed, probably so.

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So the cartels can move in and make life more dangerous than it already is? I think not. At least here there is some semblance of law enforcement (yes it is not what it should be in border areas but south of I-10 covers a lot of area).
Those people of whom you are speaking my or may not be illegals, but they aren't, as a whole, stupid.

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crimsonaudio said:

Russia has vowed its troops will remain in Ukraine

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Mr Lavrov said: "The victors intend to make use of the fruits of their victory to attack human rights and fundamental freedoms of minorities.

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This is an old play from the playbook.
"We will protect the rights of the German minority in the Sudetenland, in Danzig," &c., &c. Let's hope this one does not turn out the same way.

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Interesting article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/w...as-obama-works-to-rein-in-russia.html???&_r=0

Angela Merkel said:

The Russian occupation of Crimea has challenged Mr. Obama as has no other international crisis, and at its heart, the advice seemed to pose the same question: Is Mr. Obama tough enough to take on the former K.G.B. colonel in the Kremlin? It is no easy task. Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany told Mr. Obama by telephone on Sunday that after speaking with Mr. Putin she was not sure he was in touch with reality, people briefed on the call said. “In another world,” she said.

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Tidewater said:

This is an old play from the playbook.
"We will protect the rights of the German minority in the Sudetenland, in Danzig," &c., &c. Let's hope this one does not turn out the same way.

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Moves like this one give some level of legitimacy to Russia's actions:

Voiding Ukraine's Minority Languages Law is Wrong

The decision of the new Ukrainian authorities to repeal a law giving regional rights to minority languages is a bad move, said Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn. He also criticized a bill which would ban Russian media in Ukraine.

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Tide1986 said:

Moves like this one give some level of legitimacy to Russia's actions:

Voiding Ukraine's Minority Languages Law is Wrong

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I would agree. Dumb to antagonize an ethnic minority. I wonder if the Czechoslovakians later regretted how they handled the Sudeten Germans. On the other hand, we now know that the Nazis were egging the Sudeten Germans on, telling them to place ridiculous demands on the Czechs, so the Czechs would be obliged to deny Sudeten German's requests.
In Ukraine, I'd bet there is probably a whole lot more to the story. The Holodomor casts a long shadow over the Ukrainian psyche.

Ironically, Karkhov, in the Russian-majority Donets basin, was one of the centers. The NVKD caught starving peasants trying to leave, and sent them back at gun point.
Meanwhile, left-winger and Pulitzer prize winning journalist for the New York Times, Walter Duranty, denied it happened.

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BamainBoston said:

Annexing a part of a country based on ethnicity and language while the western world looks on? Check.

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Hitler was just following Woodrow Wilson's principles.

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twofbyc said:

I had to stop laughing before I respond. You do not have a clue. None of those people want to be a part of Mexico, that's why they left.
So document the number of times Russian "armed" spy ships have been to Cuba, at the same time as stated intentions to build a Russian base there. I can recall, at least from anything reported, zero.
Spanish is the "first" language in some communities that are predominantly hispanic, but certainly not the whole region. It is used as often as English in most of those places. Has been for years, nothing new there.
Got any more news flashes for us?

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it's funny, I thought I could post a hypothetical question and that you would be intelligent enough to see it as such without having to spell it out. Now that I know that you need things to be more detailed I'll try again. Hypothetically lets say economic or political conditions shift to such as degree that the hispanic population of El Paso Texas decides that they rather stay were they are but be a part of Mexico, would you be fine with that happening? Now, I feel I need to spell this out for you so please understand I am not saying that this is what they want at the moment. Simply asking that if those conditions are met would you simply tell the Minority White population "sorry it's what El Pasan's want" and just let Mexico walk right in and annex it as a part of their country? It meets your criteria, been a part of Mexico in the past so just let them have it?

And I can't document the number of times russians have docked in Cuba, never really looked into it but I still don't see 1 intelligence gathering ship with a few armaments to be as big a deal as an actual invasion. As for the Russian base, first I've heard of it and it is indeed a big deal.

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BamainBoston said:

Annexing a part of a country based on ethnicity and language while the western world looks on? Check.

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Ukrainian tattoo artist Dmitriy Samohin, draws Putin as Hitler

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crimsonaudio said:

And here... we.... go...

Russia demands surrender of Ukraine's Crimea forces

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I am wiling to go on record as characterizing this as "not helpful."

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crimsonaudio said:

And here... we.... go...

Russia demands surrender of Ukraine's Crimea forces

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Russia denies it

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/03/ukraine-russia-putin-obama-kerry-hague-eu/5966173/

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crimsonaudio said:

Russia also initially claimed it had no troops in Ukraine and all the Russian troops deployed there are without any markings on their uniforms or vehicles.

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I didn't say what Russia was saying was true

Lot's of propaganda out there right now. From all sides