Vinnie to the Saints

gtgilbert said:

sorry, but no. Collins has better measurables for sure, but there is a lot more to the game than that. Collins still needs to work on assignments, and more importantly, angle of pursuit. He took a LOT of very bad angles last year, even in the last 2 games after he'd getting a lot of the starters reps since HaHa was out and Vinnie got hurt.

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Collins is so much more of an NFL prospect than Vinnie it's not even discussable.

Alasippi said:

Collins is so much more of an NFL prospect than Vinnie it's not even discussable.

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That is true. Vinnie just had more experience than Collins last year. Collins should have a big year in 2014.


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Vinnie was a player, did the right things on and off the field, he earned all he got.

good for Vinnie. I hated he left but i always saw him as a 4th round type guy so no surprise to me he was drafted.. The NFL loves smart, physical safeties that can play the run.

Sorry but Vinnie is not a very good cover corner. He is great at being at the right spot for a bad throw or someone else tipping the ball but he has a hard time covering his own man. He will be a great special teams player and hopefully will improve his cover skills to be able to play consistently.

gtgilbert said:

sorry, but no. Collins has better measurables for sure, but there is a lot more to the game than that. Collins still needs to work on assignments, and more importantly, angle of pursuit. He took a LOT of very bad angles last year, even in the last 2 games after he'd getting a lot of the starters reps since HaHa was out and Vinnie got hurt.

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rolltideallday said:

Sorry but Vinnie is not a very good cover corner. He is great at being at the right spot for a bad throw or someone else tipping the ball but he has a hard time covering his own man. He will be a great special teams player and hopefully will improve his cover skills to be able to play consistently.

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I see Vinnie as being a Steve Tasker esque type player.

rolltideallday said:

Sorry but Vinnie is not a very good cover corner. He is great at being at the right spot for a bad throw or someone else tipping the ball but he has a hard time covering his own man. He will be a great special teams player and hopefully will improve his cover skills to be able to play consistently.

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He's not a corner, he's a safety. Yes, he does struggle in zero coverage, but as a safety in the league he'll be playing much more zone coverage than what he played at Bama. He has a nose for the ball and great instincts. He will excel on special teams and be a situational player on defense.


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CrimsonSEC said:

Hey, Bros before Pros.... I pull for all the former players, even if they go to the Raidas.

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Every day but Sunday, twice in the season.

I meant cover safety. And my point was that he was not a better safety than Collins, not what he would do in the pros.

TidePride50 said:

He's not a corner, he's a safety. Yes, he does struggle in zero coverage, but as a safety in the league he'll be playing much more zone coverage than what he played at Bama. He has a nose for the ball and great instincts. He will excel on special teams and be a situational player on defense.


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So stoked to see Vinnie in the Black and Gold!!! Go Saints

One thing Vinnie definitely is, is a playmaker. He has great instincts for the ball.
Whether he's fast enough to make it in the pros remains to be seen. I see him as a nickel guy and a special teams contributor. He's not going to beat out Vaccaro at safety. They may even move him to strong safety with his size.

Alasippi said:

Collins is so much more of an NFL prospect than Vinnie it's not even discussable.

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he probably is since the NFL gets so enamored by the measurables, and collins is off the charts in that area, no doubt. Still, claiming that collins was the third best S on the team last year when he wasn't even coming in on the nickel sub packages (that was Smith and Jarrick W) is just incorrect. There's a lot more to it than just how fast someone is, or Bradley Slyve would have been starting from day one with his speed, but he he wasn't was he?

Collins has massive potential, he's just got to correct some things about his game, and those things were still evident late in the season after he had already started seven or eight games so it's hard to just write that off as a lack of experience.