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I remember in 2010 ESPN noted that LSU was known was converting DBs to LBs. I joked with my friend that we converted our DL into LBs. Now it's not so funny.

Plus they have speedy defensive ends, not DTs lined up as DEs.

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Interesting article. Thanks.

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Schematically, I don't think they do much different in base coverage from us...it is really just the front seven personnel.

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This approach is not much different than they type personnel we had at LB when we had guys like Ralph Staten, Brooks Daniels, and Cornelius Wortham manning those positions and guys Wallace Gilbert on the end.

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I agree that moving in this direction personnel-wise would help against HUNH. But we have to be prepared to accept the drawbacks, namely loss of effectiveness against more traditional offenses. As superb as LSU has been against the A&Ms and AUs of the world, overall they've been slightly less effective than the Saban defenses of the last 6 years.

In fact, you could argue that the biggest difference in defensive results between LSU and Alabama has been against the traditional rush, where we consistently far outperform the Tigers. And it just so happens that the two years where we fell off against the run over the past 5 years are the very same years that we didn't bring crystal back to T-Town.

Tell me again how many championships LSU has won under Chavis selling out to stop the HUNH?

Total Defense (YPG)
2008: UA (263.5) LSU (325.5)
2009: UA (245.4) LSU (327.6)
2010: UA (286.4) LSU (307.2)
2011: UA (183.6) LSU (261.5)
2012: UA (250.0) LSU (307.6)
2013: UA (286.5) LSU (340.7)

Rushing Defense (YPG)
2008: UA (74.1) LSU (110.2)
2009: UA (79.4) LSU (133.4)
2010: UA (110.2) LSU (137.3)
2011: UA (72.2) LSU (90.1)
2012: UA (76.4) LSU (101.6)
2013: UA (106.2) LSU (143.2)

Passing Defense (YPG)
2008: UA (189.4) LSU (215.4)
2009: UA (166.0) LSU (194.2)
2010: UA (176.2) LSU (169.8)
2011: UA (111.5) LSU (171.4)
2012: UA (173.6) LSU (206.0)
2013: UA (180.3) LSU (197.5)

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Awesome article & breakdown on how Chavis defends against those HUNH offenses..I do like the fact we're moving away from the bigger sized LB'ers & moving towards smaller sized LB'ser with more speed ..To stop the HUNH offenses from getting to the edge when running the ball..That's where I think it's hurt us the most..Our LB'ers just haven't been quick enough to stop teams from hitting the edge & picking up bug chunks of yards..Quicker LB'ers will be able to stop that from happening..JMHO

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That 2011 D was the greatest I've ever seen, and second isn't close.

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PacadermaTideUs said:

I agree that moving in this direction personnel-wise would help against HUNH. But we have to be prepared to accept the drawbacks, namely loss of effectiveness against more traditional offenses.

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Yup, a lot of people seem to want to discuss the advantages, but they forget the inevitable disadvantages. This sort of thing can play out all over the place, you want a quarterback who can run, but you sacrifice other characteristics. You go with faster, smaller, running backs and you lose the ability to pound it up the middle, etc... yes, Alabama can adjust and deal better with this sort of offense, but the days of shutting down opponents running games will be behind them.

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CoachJeff said:

That 2011 D was the greatest I've ever seen, and second isn't close.

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Certainly LSU was better against Manziel, but with Auburn's last two great teams, I'm not so sure.

They got them early last year, but Cam and the boys shredded them for 440 yards rushing.

Interestingly, Auburn only scored 24 with all that yardage.

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Thanks to BOTH Kyallie and TideHSV for a good find.

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PacadermaTideUs said:

Tell me again how many championships LSU has won under Chavis selling out to stop the HUNH?

Total Defense (YPG)
2008: UA (263.5) LSU (325.5)
2009: UA (245.4) LSU (327.6)
2010: UA (286.4) LSU (307.2)
2011: UA (183.6) LSU (261.5)
2012: UA (250.0) LSU (307.6)
2013: UA (286.5) LSU (340.7)

Rushing Defense (YPG)
2008: UA (74.1) LSU (110.2)
2009: UA (79.4) LSU (133.4)
2010: UA (110.2) LSU (137.3)
2011: UA (72.2) LSU (90.1)
2012: UA (76.4) LSU (101.6)
2013: UA (106.2) LSU (143.2)

Passing Defense (YPG)
2008: UA (189.4) LSU (215.4)
2009: UA (166.0) LSU (194.2)
2010: UA (176.2) LSU (169.8)
2011: UA (111.5) LSU (171.4)
2012: UA (173.6) LSU (206.0)
2013: UA (180.3) LSU (197.5)

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Excellent post. I would add that the author should have noted that LSU did not develop this philosophy to combat the HUNH...this is just how they recruit and it happens to work well vs the HUNH. Kudos to them for utilizing their personnel but it's not like they reinvented the wheel. As Pacaderm illustrated, our defense works just fine as is and while we make a few adjustments, we won't be abandoning what has brought us so much success. Our guys can coach, too.

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Beating a dead horse here, but Saban continues to talk about wanting "fast-twitch" guys on the DL. Bama has recruited a few of those guys in recent years. However, Dalvin Tomlinson, Dakota Ball and Korren Kirven have all suffered injuries. The bigger guys have continued to play on the DL because the guys Saban has signed to stop the HUNH haven't been able to play.

PacadermaTideUs said:

Tell me again how many championships LSU has won under Chavis selling out to stop the HUNH?

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He had a great opportunity in 2011. LSU's defense has rarely been the problem. It tends to be the offense. For all the talk about CNS controlling the offense and prohibiting the OC (Nuss insinuated as much in his Michigan presser), Miles hasn't really let his OCs do much.

AgentAntiOrange said:

Excellent post. I would add that the author should have noted that LSU did not develop this philosophy to combat the HUNH...this is just how they recruit and it happens to work well vs the HUNH. Kudos to them for utilizing their personnel but it's not like they reinvented the wheel. As Pacaderm illustrated, our defense works just fine as is and while we make a few adjustments, we won't be abandoning what has brought us so much success. Our guys can coach, too.

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Most teams recruit to fit their philosophy, so I don't think this is a case of Miles and Chavis recruiting random guys, putting them on the field, and getting lucky with the outcome.

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RTR91 said:

He had a great opportunity in 2011. LSU's defense has rarely been the problem. It tends to be the offense. For all the talk about CNS controlling the offense and prohibiting the OC (Nuss insinuated as much in his Michigan presser), Miles hasn't really let his OCs do much.

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Defense has rarely been our problem either. In fact, almost certainly more rarely than for LSU.

The point of the article seems to be: LSU is the flagship defense in the SEC particularly against HUNH/spread, so emulate LSU. I'm simply saying that for overall sound defense, LSU is not the premier team in the SEC, and emulating LSU by going small and fast to stop the HUNH/spread carries disadvantages.

The numbers don't lie. Though they've controlled HUNH/spread better than we have, they've also vs. traditional offenses given up more rushing yardage per game, more passing yardage per game, more total yardage per game, more points per game, and suffered more losses than we have. I'm not sure we ought to be emulating them.

I think Orange's and buzzard's point is valid: adjust, but don't overhaul.