Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
Have you not noticed that SOS fans the flames every chance he gets?
Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
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Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
As far as the job he's done at USC, he's been there nine years. They've finished first in the east once, second three times,third twice, fourth twice, and fifth once. To me, that ain't bad but it's not exactly setting the woods on fire either.
I've never really understood why he seems to revel in the attention he gets from making snide remarks. I can understand a good natured poke every once in a while, but he tends to go a bit overboard in my humble opinion.
As far as the job he's done at USC, he's been there nine years. They've finished first in the east once, second three times,third twice, fourth twice, and fifth once. To me, that ain't bad but it's not exactly setting the woods on fire either.
Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
Spurrier is the guy you love to hate...until he is your guy. What he said in the interview was not 1/10th as flaming or jabbing as Scarb made it out to be, but I'm also not naive enough to think it was just a conicidence that he chose Saban to use as an example - he could've selected any successful coach to make his point. There was a little poke hidden in there. But still, he told Saban he thought Saban could be just as successful without working so many hours...if that is what Spurrier is tossing around as insults these days he's not going to get as much press as he once did.
That's his style, so yes, he brings some of the scorn on him, and it seems as though he welcomes it at times...maybe it's what makes him tick (I'm the opposite of that so I cannot relate to this aspect of him). He has not been nearly as vocal at USC as he was at Florida, but USC ain't Florida either, maybe it's more like every other chance he gets nowadays. When asked a question Spurrier answers it honestly and speaks his mind, regardless of the possible ramifications. Of course other than leaving out the jabs, is Saban that differently when dealing with the media?
Spurrier is the guy you love to hate...until he is your guy. What he said in the interview was not 1/10th as flaming or jabbing as Scarb made it out to be, but I'm also not naive enough to think it was just a conicidence that he chose Saban to use as an example - he could've selected any successful coach to make his point. There was a little poke hidden in there. But still, he told Saban he thought Saban could be just as successful without working so many hours...if that is what Spurrier is tossing around as insults these days he's not going to get as much press as he once did.
Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
Coach Saban himself even acknowledged that he was only as good as the recruits he could bring in...thats just fact.
If you comapre it to what the GAmecocks have done prior to SOS, it becomes a little more impressive. Just like what Jammes Franklin did at Vandy...you just cant ignore the fact thats its harder to recruit at some schools and winning isnt nearly as easy without the recruits.
Coach Saban himself even acknowledged that he was only as good as the recruits he could bring in...thats just fact.
Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
I've posted it before, but getting spurned by Bama is the burr under his saddle...
Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
Littel history lesson here: Spurrier won only one conference championship in his final five years at Florida, despite the seemingly endless supply of elite talent in Gainesville. And lest we forget, that SEC was really the SEC of Mike Dubose, Phil Fulmer, Jim Donnan, Gerry Dinardo, and Terry Bowden. And, again, one title in five years...
I understand Spurrier is just going with the jabs because that's Spurrier and he gets a kick out of it, but if he were serious he'd probably want to explain away that glaring hole on his resume before he started calling other people out for supposedly underachieving...
Littel history lesson here: Spurrier won only one conference championship in his final five years at Florida, despite the seemingly endless supply of elite talent in Gainesville. And lest we forget, that SEC was really the SEC of Mike Dubose, Phil Fulmer, Jim Donnan, Gerry Dinardo, and Terry Bowden. And, again, one title in five years...
I understand Spurrier is just going with the jabs because that's Spurrier and he gets a kick out of it, but if he were serious he'd probably want to explain away that glaring hole on his resume before he started calling other people out for supposedly underachieving...
Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
amen brother
Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
Looking at the work habits of both coaches, CNS is a tireless recruiter 24/7 recruiting and it shows - SOS not so much. That in and of itself has probably put a glass ceiling on SOS's performance as a coach. I dont think he will win a SEC simply because he doesnt have the depth on his roster. Now, if you assume that both coaches have the same amount of time to use as they wish, I could see where SOS maybe more efficient in game planning. Maybe he doesnt spend copious amounts of time contemplating the 1% events that might occur in a game - I dont know. But you look at the last 3 years, one could say the effort expended by CNS and the effort expended by SOS comes down to one loss. You would have to look at it and determine if that differential is related to coaching or recruiting. My argument would be if you take our losses over the last 3 years they would be of the coaching/execution ilk. Obviously, if we dont incur those losses, we are absolutely the most dominant dynasty in the history of the sport. Whereas, USC has some pretty significant injuries (Lattimore) that contributed to their losses during the same timespan.
What SOS doesnt mention is the fortune that we benefited from in winning the last 2 NCs because other teams simply lost late in season allowing us to climb back in the game. Because despite the effort invested we still lost a game each season. If that doesnt happen and we are still left with only the '09 championship, would more of us on here be more inclined to agree with SOS's assessment? I might. If that had happened, you might could argue that we are the college football version of the Atlanta Braves - who could only win 1 WS in 15 years.
I might be in the minority here, but I would prefer to have CNS working at 98% effort and have him for another 10 years rather than have him working at a 115% and only have him for another 3-4 years. My expectation is we probably would not be able to detect the results on the field at all if he chose to do so.
Is it possible that he and SOS have an off-the-field relationship where maybe somethings were said relative work habits and such? I am not suggesting that SOS breached a confidence I just wonder if some of this is him speculating a bit. I am not really offended by his comments. I think what he is saying centers around the law of diminishing returns. He knows what sort of effort he is willing to give and the results it has gotten. I think he is basically suggesting that given the level he (SOS) has recruited at over the last 5 years and the amount of energy CNS puts forth did the results really match the effort invested?
Looking at the work habits of both coaches, CNS is a tireless recruiter 24/7 recruiting and it shows - SOS not so much. That in and of itself has probably put a glass ceiling on SOS's performance as a coach. I dont think he will win a SEC simply because he doesnt have the depth on his roster. Now, if you assume that both coaches have the same amount of time to use as they wish, I could see where SOS maybe more efficient in game planning. Maybe he doesnt spend copious amounts of time contemplating the 1% events that might occur in a game - I dont know. But you look at the last 3 years, one could say the effort expended by CNS and the effort expended by SOS comes down to one loss. You would have to look at it and determine if that differential is related to coaching or recruiting. My argument would be if you take our losses over the last 3 years they would be of the coaching/execution ilk. Obviously, if we dont incur those losses, we are absolutely the most dominant dynasty in the history of the sport. Whereas, USC has some pretty significant injuries (Lattimore) that contributed to their losses during the same timespan.
What SOS doesnt mention is the fortune that we benefited from in winning the last 2 NCs because other teams simply lost late in season allowing us to climb back in the game. Because despite the effort invested we still lost a game each season. If that doesnt happen and we are still left with only the '09 championship, would more of us on here be more inclined to agree with SOS's assessment? I might. If that had happened, you might could argue that we are the college football version of the Atlanta Braves - who could only win 1 WS in 15 years.
I might be in the minority here, but I would prefer to have CNS working at 98% effort and have him for another 10 years rather than have him working at a 115% and only have him for another 3-4 years. My expectation is we probably would not be able to detect the results on the field at all if he chose to do so.
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Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
Interesting take (the last paragraph). Not really sure if I agree or disagree, some people only know one speed, might actually throw Saban off his game if he backs off the throttle.
Re: Steve Spurrier says Nick Saban has maxed out on Alabama's potential
easy to yap when he'll be retired by 2019 when his cocks would have to face the tide
easy to yap when he'll be retired by 2019 when his cocks would have to face the tide
Re: Steve Spurrier says Nick Saban has maxed out on Alabama's potential
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I'm betting Alabama faces them a lot sooner than that.
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Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
Steve trying to clarify his comments. http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2014/07/steve_spurrier_calls_nick_saba.html
Steve trying to clarify his comments. http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2014/07/steve_spurrier_calls_nick_saba.html
Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
So why bring up those #1 classes and then start wondering out loud if Saban has Max out the talent? Complimenting dominance while suggesting an ongoing deficiency is hard to clarify, even for the satirical one.
Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
Spurrier's not "clarifying" anything. He's continue to subtly stir the pot. The "greatest recruiter in college football history" and "Arguably they've got the greatest collection of football players ever assembled for a college team." That tactic is nothing more than putting his team (and everyone else in the conference) in an underdog role to Bama and creating a "chip" on other teams' shoulders. His "clarification" is not sincere IMO.
Spurrier's not "clarifying" anything. He's continue to subtly stir the pot. The "greatest recruiter in college football history" and "Arguably they've got the greatest collection of football players ever assembled for a college team." That tactic is nothing more than putting his team (and everyone else in the conference) in an underdog role to Bama and creating a "chip" on other teams' shoulders. His "clarification" is not sincere IMO.
Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
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I really don't think he is fooling anybody regardless of what he says.
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Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
Auburn has had 3 different coaches win SEC titles since Spurrier last won one. 2 of those coaches were fired.
Auburn has had 3 different coaches win SEC titles since Spurrier last won one. 2 of those coaches were fired.
Re: Spurrier: I don’t know if Saban has maxed out potentially as well as he could...
Spurrier works so hard on recruiting that he just had over 25 pct of his last signing class not qualify to enroll at South Carolina. Maybe Spurrier would be better served working on his own program and not commenting on others.
Spurrier works so hard on recruiting that he just had over 25 pct of his last signing class not qualify to enroll at South Carolina. Maybe Spurrier would be better served working on his own program and not commenting on others.
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