This is what happened when I drove my Mercedes to pick up food stamps

cbi1972 · Jul 10, 2014

92tide said:
i dont think that graph is the best way to show these data. it appears that a lot of the growth in this graph is coming from social security and medicare which are going to be growing a lot due to an aging population.

i would separate out ss & medicare, medicaid and other social benefits, then veterans benefits and analyze each individually.

It shows that even if you eliminate welfare fraud, we're still spending money hand over fist for several categories of entitlements that are just as colossal.
There is no possible way that this level of entitlement is sustainable, no matter how much we "care"

NationalTitles18 · Jul 10, 2014

Aledinho said:
I don't believe any of the states that she mentioned in the article have a weeks into term restriction for abortion. And I'm making an assumption, but given the fact that she writes for the Huffington Post she is pro choice. Therefore, the moral, emotional, and mental would all be net positives for her.

Lets fast forward a few years, say her immigrant house keeper or nanny (who is deeply and emphatically Christian) is in her same situation, Ms Cunha would have no problem recommending abortion as the solution. So if we are going to live in an America where abortion is safe and legal, then everyone should be putting their name in the lottery.

I think she made her choice, so are you pro-choice or just grandstanding?

Tidewater · Jul 10, 2014

chanson78 said:
Need to watch these:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/disability-usa/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1396227/

I'm not sure why a bad economy (SSA's excuse for why the number of people on disability has exploded) has anything to do with the number of people who are really disabled. Were these people disabled by the bad economy? I mean, did the economy fall on them, breaking their legs?

Tidewater · Jul 10, 2014

cbi1972 said:
It shows that even if you eliminate welfare fraud, we're still spending money hand over fist for several categories of entitlements that are just as colossal.
There is no possible way that this level of entitlement is sustainable, no matter how much we "care"

That is my concern. When the gravy track collapses, the US won't be able to take care of the truly needy.

twofbyc · Jul 10, 2014

cbi1972 said:
It shows that even if you eliminate welfare fraud, we're still spending money hand over fist for several categories of entitlements that are just as colossal.
There is no possible way that this level of entitlement is sustainable, no matter how much we "care"

SS and Medicare become illegitimate "entitlements" to me when they no longer make deductions for these from my paycheck. Until that point and time, since I pay into it, I am legitimately "entitled" (as is everyone else who pays into it) to the benefits when I become eligible. Yeah, I have this weird way of thinking that I am "entitled" to my own money. The fact the government has taken my contribution (and everyone else's) and spent it on other things is, well, can't say it on here; it's still at least partly "mine" and when I am entitled I plan on getting what I have coming - one way or another.

AV8N · Jul 10, 2014

Tidewater said:
I'm not sure why a bad economy (SSA's excuse for why the number of people on disability has exploded) has anything to do with the number of people who are really disabled. Were these people disabled by the bad economy? I mean, did the economy fall on them, breaking their legs?

The Economy carries a big stick and busts kneecaps like a mobster.

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cbi1972 · Jul 10, 2014

twofbyc said:
SS and Medicare become illegitimate "entitlements" to me when they no longer make deductions for these from my paycheck. Until that point and time, since I pay into it, I am legitimately "entitled" (as is everyone else who pays into it) to the benefits when I become eligible. Yeah, I have this weird way of thinking that I am "entitled" to my own money. The fact the government has taken my contribution (and everyone else's) and spent it on other things is, well, can't say it on here; it's still at least partly "mine" and when I am entitled I plan on getting what I have coming - one way or another.

Until it fails completely and there is nothing for you or anyone else.
At this point, it seems to be throwing good money after bad.
I hope you are saving for yourself instead of relying on what may never come.

twofbyc · Jul 10, 2014

cbi1972 said:
Until it fails completely and there is nothing for you or anyone else.
At this point, it seems to be throwing good money after bad.
I hope you are saving for yourself instead of relying on what may never come.

I am actually "pretty dang close" to the time when I can apply for "what may never come"; doesn't mean I will quit working but it won't be that bad. I worry more about those 15-20 years down the road. I don't know if I will still be alive by then (odds ain't good), but if I am and they say there is no more, somebody besides me will die. Pretty simple, actually. My life will be just about over anyway. No problem taking some idiot (or three or 10 or 20) with me.

CaliforniaTide · Jul 10, 2014

For me, I would say my views on welfare have moderated a bit since I began teaching. I came from a family where both parents had professional jobs, paid for everything through my master's degree, and so I did still have the opinion that most/all of those on welfare are gaming the system. Since I've started teaching, and have been unemployed once (and facing it again if I can't secure a teaching job b/w now and August), my views have changed. Are there people that game the system? Absolutely, especially some of those whose students I taught this past year in Huntsville. I was at a Title I school, and most, if not all, of my students were declared to be free/reduced lunch students. However, most of them had the $200-300 LeBron James/Jordan/Durant shoes, new cellphones, etc. Some were definitely homeless, and/or needed legitimate help due to the student's individual circumstances. I've gone a year unemployed from teaching without taking in unemployment benefits, and would like to keep it that way. I've been applying everywhere, and expanded my commute radius to two hours. I'm hoping something will work out.

crimsonaudio · Jul 10, 2014

Good interview - more info in this video interview: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...na-drive-mercedes-to-get-food-stamps.cnn.html

willie52 · Jul 10, 2014

CT

What grade do you teach? Have you checked Brindley Mountain in Arab or do you teach higher grade levels? May have a contact for you if you can PM me. My son-in-laws mom worked for the school district for years.

He posts here sometimes, not sure of his screen name though but will find out if you are interested.

Displaced Bama Fan · Jul 10, 2014

Displaced Bama Fan · Jul 10, 2014

Having said all that has been said, welfare, etc. has no Constitutional basis. I don't recall anyone having the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and, heck if it doesn't work out, a crap load of free benefits at the taxpayers' expense. It's one of those states rights issues, not a federal one. Amend the Constitution or cancel the program (like many, many others needs to be cancelled due to being unconstitutional).

twofbyc · Jul 10, 2014

CaliforniaTide said:
For me, I would say my views on welfare have moderated a bit since I began teaching. I came from a family where both parents had professional jobs, paid for everything through my master's degree, and so I did still have the opinion that most/all of those on welfare are gaming the system. Since I've started teaching, and have been unemployed once (and facing it again if I can't secure a teaching job b/w now and August), my views have changed. Are there people that game the system? Absolutely, especially some of those whose students I taught this past year in Huntsville. I was at a Title I school, and most, if not all, of my students were declared to be free/reduced lunch students. However, most of them had the $200-300 LeBron James/Jordan/Durant shoes, new cellphones, etc. Some were definitely homeless, and/or needed legitimate help due to the student's individual circumstances. I've gone a year unemployed from teaching without taking in unemployment benefits, and would like to keep it that way. I've been applying everywhere, and expanded my commute radius to two hours. I'm hoping something will work out.

Hope you find work soon but if you don't, take whatever assistance you need; that is what it is there for. Now, not to downplay the bold above, but my son's mother once took my monthly CS check and bought him (at age 10) four pair of Converse High Tops, all different colors, because he couldn't decide which color he liked. That was well over half of the support check. No one has the market cornered on idiocy. Some people just don't care.

92tide · Jul 10, 2014

Displaced Bama Fan said:
Having said all that has been said, welfare, etc. has no Constitutional basis. I don't recall anyone having the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and, heck if it doesn't work out, a crap load of free benefits at the taxpayers' expense. It's one of those states rights issues, not a federal one. Amend the Constitution or cancel the program (like many, many others needs to be cancelled due to being unconstitutional).

the constitution allows congress to pass laws.

crimsonaudio · Jul 10, 2014

92tide said:
the constitution allows congress to pass laws.

While I feel the general welfare clause has been used to allow much greater federal power than the founding fathers ever intended, the reality is this is just the sort of thing i believe the GW clause exists for - not a specifically enumerated power of the federal government, but one that helps every one of us, even those who are lucky enough to never have to rely on it...

Displaced Bama Fan · Jul 10, 2014

92tide said:
the constitution allows congress to pass laws.

Yes they can. But they have specific guidelines they must adhere to. Please let me know where welfare or public housing fall into these.

This is Article 1, Section 8 just in case you were wondering.

1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Displaced Bama Fan · Jul 10, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
While I feel the general welfare clause has been used to allow much greater federal power than the founding fathers ever intended, the reality is this is just the sort of thing i believe the GW clause exists for - not a specifically enumerated power of the federal government, but one that helps every one of us, even those who are lucky enough to never have to rely on it...

It's been bastardized.

crimsonaudio · Jul 10, 2014

Displaced Bama Fan said:
It's been bastardized.

I agree, but this is as good case of 'the general welfare of the republic' as any I can think of.

92tide · Jul 10, 2014

Displaced Bama Fan said:
Yes they can. But they have specific guidelines they must adhere to. Please let me know where welfare or public housing fall into these.

This is Article 1, Section 8 just in case you were wondering.

1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

i am not going to go through this again. we have this discussion every time someone tries to say stuff they dont like is unconstitutional.

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