80 yr old man shoots fleeing, unarmed pregnant burglar

Displaced Bama Fan · Jul 25, 2014

http://www.chron.com/news/crime/art...ally-shoots-burglar-5644295.php#photo-6640676

So? Sucks for her.

Choose life, don't rape, steal, rob or burglarize.

Bamabuzzard · Jul 25, 2014

What's the cool saying around here? "Play stupid games win stupid prizes"?

crimsonaudio · Jul 25, 2014

He'll spend the last of his time on this earth in jail, as he should.

ETA: also, the caliber of the firearm - two shots from a .22lr revolver and she's dead (read this in another article)...

CrimsonNagus · Jul 25, 2014

The only person who deserves jail time is the surviving burglar.

Greer returned home shortly after 9 p.m. Tuesday to find the pair in his home. Both suspects attacked him, hitting him with their fists and ultimately "body slamming" him to the floor, breaking his collar bone, McDonnell said.

Pregnant or not, fleeing or not, she deserved to be shot IMO.

C Earl · Jul 25, 2014

I'm curious to see how many murder charges he gets.

AV8N · Jul 25, 2014

She may have been pregnant, but would you really trust anything coming out of the mouth of someone who had just finished robbing and beating you? I guess the autopsy will tell.

Normally you don't have the right to shoot someone who is fleeing. But I have heard of people doing just that and not being convicted.

Displaced Bama Fan · Jul 25, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
He'll spend the last of his time on this earth in jail, as he should.

ETA: also, the caliber of the firearm - two shots from a .22lr revolver and she's dead (read this in another article)...

We'll disagree on this one. He was assaulted, body-slammed to the floor, had a broken collar bone, so who knows what state of mind he was in. He may have been concussed for all we know. As you like to say and Buzzard quoted it above....

She took a risk to pursue illegal activity and it cost her life.

crimsonaudio · Jul 25, 2014

Displaced Bama Fan said:
We'll disagree on this one. He was assaulted, body-slammed to the floor, had a broken collar bone, so who knows what state of mind he was in. He may have been concussed for all we know. As you like to say and Buzzard quoted it above....

And according to the shooter, she was running away. There was no imminent threat, so this is simply revenge, like it or not.

Do I think the law should be different? Perhaps, but it isn't. He committed murder under the law.

She took a risk to pursue illegal activity and it cost her life.

Yup.

Displaced Bama Fan · Jul 25, 2014

AV8N said:
She may have been pregnant, but would you really trust anything coming out of the mouth of someone who had just finished robbing and beating you? I guess the autopsy will tell.

Normally you don't have the right to shoot someone who is fleeing. But I have heard of people doing just that and not being convicted.

If more of them were shot, the crime rate would definitely drop.

Displaced Bama Fan · Jul 25, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
And according to the shooter, she was running away. There was no imminent threat, so this is simply revenge, like it or not.

Do I think the law should be different? Perhaps, but it isn't. He committed murder under the law.

Yup.

How do we know what state of mind an 80 year old man was in after he got body slammed to the ground and had his collar bone broken?

crimsonaudio · Jul 25, 2014

Displaced Bama Fan said:
How do we know what state of mind an 80 year old man was in after he got body slammed to the ground and had his collar bone broken?

The jury will decide that, but he seemed pretty clear-headed and non-remorseful in the followup interviews.

You can disagree with the law (I don't in this case), but you the reality is you can only shoot someone if you are in imminent fear of grave bodily harm or death in most every state. Like it or not, he had zero right to shoot her.

cbi1972 · Jul 25, 2014

The story could also have read "The homeowner was slain after allowing the intruder to flee and retrieve a weapon"

Displaced Bama Fan · Jul 25, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
The jury will decide that, but he seemed pretty clear-headed and non-remorseful in the followup interviews.

You can disagree with the law (I don't in this case), but you the reality is you can only shoot someone if you are in imminent fear of grave bodily harm or death in most every state. Like it or not, he had zero right to shoot her.

PTSD

G-VilleTider · Jul 25, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
The jury will decide that, but he seemed pretty clear-headed and non-remorseful in the followup interviews.

You can disagree with the law (I don't in this case), but you the reality is you can only shoot someone if you are in imminent fear of grave bodily harm or death in most every state. Like it or not, he had zero right to shoot her.

I disagree sir, I think he absolutely had a right to shoot her. Now, legally, I don't know; you are probably correct there, but if I was on the jury, I would be the not guilty hold out.

crimsonaudio · Jul 25, 2014

G-VilleTider said:
I disagree sir, I think he absolutely had a right to shoot her. Now, legally, I don't know; you are probably correct there, but if I was on the jury, I would be the not guilty hold out.

OK, so where is the line between self defense and a revenge killing? If someone walks up and punches you in the jaw then runs away, do you think you should be able to shoot them?

G-VilleTider · Jul 25, 2014

mikes12 · Jul 25, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
OK, so where is the line between self defense and a revenge killing? If someone walks up and punches you in the jaw then runs away, do you think you should be able to shoot them?

I think it's different by the nature of the home break-in. Even if the person is fleeing, I'm willing to afford a person a lot of leniency in defending their home.

The guy did us a favor. Who is more dangerous to society? The one who broke into someone's house and assaulted the elderly man living there, or the man who shot fleeing intruders?

G-VilleTider · Jul 25, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
OK, so where is the line between self defense and a revenge killing? If someone walks up and punches you in the jaw then runs away, do you think you should be able to shoot them?

I guess if it happens during or immediately following a violent act, I will always give the benefit of the doubt to the person who was attacked. If it is a good while later, ok, you're correct; that is revenge. Which I am also ok with in some situations such as violence toward children. etc.

Catfish · Jul 25, 2014

mikes12 said:
The guy did us a favor. Who is more dangerous to society? The one who broke into someone's house and assaulted the elderly man living there, or the man who shot fleeing intruders?

This really doesn't make a lot of sense. Are you saying that, if someone isn't a danger to society, they didn't really commit a crime?

Bodhisattva · Jul 25, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
OK, so where is the line between self defense and a revenge killing? If someone walks up and punches you in the jaw then runs away, do you think you should be able to shoot them?

I approve of vigilantiism on a case-by-case basis.

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