Tony Stewart hits, kills driver in sprint car race

CrimsonForce · Sep 25, 2014

BamainBoston said:
No, you said that because he's gotten mad in the past he can't be absolved of guilt in this case.

Never mind.

crimsonaudio · Sep 25, 2014

CrimsonForce said:
Reread my post again. I said he can't be absolved of *ALL* blame. You and others are misquoting and misrepresenting what I said. #HookedOnPhonicsIsntExpensive

Tone down the sarcastic shots - you're the one who is missing the rather obvious point here.

Your 'logic' that his previous issues with anger means he deserves some blame are akin to suggesting someone with a history of DUIs deserves partial blame in an auto accident despite all proof suggesting they are sober at the time of the accident.

Further - why would TS be mad at Ward? What evidence do you have - at all - that suggests his state of mind (besides the projection your own bias)?

CrimsonForce · Sep 25, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
Tone down the sarcastic shots - you're the one who is missing the rather obvious point here.

Your 'logic' that his previous issues with anger means he deserves some blame are akin to suggesting someone with a history of DUIs deserves partial blame in an auto accident despite all proof suggesting they are sober at the time of the accident.

Further - why would TS be mad at Ward? What evidence do you have - at all - that suggests his state of mind (besides the projection your own bias)?

Someone who has a history of DUI that was in or caused an auto accident would not get the benefit of the doubt, as everyone is giving TS here. If you're wife died in an auto crash and the person who caused it had a history of DUI, would you not explore every avenue that alcohol may have been a cause of the crash. What if that person was a multimillionaire famous athlete. Would you not be concerned of a cover up? I think we both know what the answers to those questions are..

This example is all hypothetical. I was just playing off of the DUI comparison you brought up..

RTR91 · Sep 25, 2014

CrimsonForce said:
Someone who has a history of DUI that was in or caused an auto accident would not get the benefit of the doubt, as everyone is giving TS here. If you're wife died in an auto crash and the person who caused it had a history of DUI, would you not explore every avenue that alcohol may have been a cause of the crash. What if that person was a multimillionaire famous athlete. Would you not be concerned of a cover up? I think we both know what the answers to those questions are..

This example is all hypothetical. I was just playing off of the DUI comparison you brought up..

You still don't get it, do you? Wow.

crimsonaudio · Sep 25, 2014

CrimsonForce said:
Someone who has a history of DUI that was in or caused an auto accident would not get the benefit of the doubt, as everyone is giving TS here. If you're wife died in an auto crash and the person who caused it had a history of DUI, would you not explore every avenue that alcohol may have been a cause of the crash. What if that person was a multimillionaire famous athlete. Would you not be concerned of a cover up? I think we both know what the answers to those questions are..

Of course the questions would be asked, but when all the evidence showed the driver was sober, I'd drop that argument otherwise.

Kinda like what you should do here - there's ZERO evidence of TS's mindset, much less that he was angry (again I ask, what does he have to be angry about?). Yet despite the pile of evidence that was shown to the grand jury (who no-billed him) you continue to suggest he bears some blame in this, completely speculated based on things which happened in the past.

selmaborntidefan · Sep 25, 2014

Okay just so I can get TideFans logic straight: George Zimmerman should have stayed in his car and nothing would have happened but Kevin Ward getting out of his car and getting killed is Tony Stewart's fault.

?????????

CrimsonForce · Sep 25, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
Tone down the sarcastic shots - you're the one who is missing the rather obvious point here.

Your 'logic' that his previous issues with anger means he deserves some blame are akin to suggesting someone with a history of DUIs deserves partial blame in an auto accident despite all proof suggesting they are sober at the time of the accident.

Further - why would TS be mad at Ward? What evidence do you have - at all - that suggests his state of mind (besides the projection your own bias)?

BTW I wasn't being sarcastic..

CrimsonForce · Sep 25, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
Of course the questions would be asked, but when all the evidence showed the driver was sober, I'd drop that argument otherwise.

Kinda like what you should do here - there's ZERO evidence of TS's mindset, much less that he was angry (again I ask, what does he have to be angry about?). Yet despite the pile of evidence that was shown to the grand jury (who no-billed him) you continue to suggest he bears some blame in this, completely speculated based on things which happened in the past.

So because I don't agree with you I should drop my argument? I thought this was a discussion board. Guess not..

RTR91 · Sep 25, 2014

CrimsonForce said:
So because I don't agree with you I should drop my argument? I thought this was a discussion board. Guess not..

You could start by having more to your argument than just a major assumption.

CrimsonForce · Sep 25, 2014

RTR91 said:
You still don't get it, do you? Wow.

Wow. Wow.

crimsonaudio · Sep 25, 2014

CrimsonForce said:
So because I don't agree with you I should drop my argument? I thought this was a discussion board. Guess not..

No, I'm simply suggesting there's zero evidence - zero - for what you are suggesting, yet you continue to argue it.

You're simply coming across as they type of person who cannot admit an error, who would rather argue to the death before admitting they were wrong.

Fair enough, it is what it is.

CrimsonForce · Sep 25, 2014

RTR91 said:
You could start by having more to your argument than just a major assumption.

Yea. Facts are such a big assumption. My bad lol

CrimsonForce · Sep 25, 2014

crimsonaudio said:
No, I'm simply suggesting there's zero evidence - zero - for what you are suggesting, yet you continue to argue it.

You're simply coming across as they type of person who cannot admit an error, who would rather argue to the death before admitting they were wrong.

Fair enough, it is what it is.

And you come across the same way to me..

RTR91 · Sep 25, 2014

CrimsonForce said:
Yea. Facts are such a big assumption. My bad lol

It's a fact that Tony Stewart has had incidents in the past where he showed anger issues.

There is no fact to show he had anger issues during this incident. Yet, you chose to base your argument of him being at blame solely on that. Therefore, your argument is based on an assumption.

CrimsonForce · Sep 25, 2014

RTR91 said:
It's a fact that Tony Stewart has had incidents in the past where he showed anger issues.

There is no fact to show he had anger issues during this incident. Yet, you chose to base your argument of him being at blame solely on that. Therefore, your argument is based on an assumption.

There is no fact to show that he didn't have anger in this situation either. IMO TS is not 100% innocent in the situation. The % he is guilty I don't know. I just do not believe he is 100% innocent. Never said he should be charged with murder or go to jail. How that has been construed and twisted by other people on here is beyond me. Wow. Amazing.

crimsonaudio · Sep 25, 2014

CrimsonForce said:
And you come across the same way to me..

Fair enough. You're basing your argument entirely on assumptions from previous instances while ignoring the facts solely related to this one, I'm sticking to the facts solely related to this instance.

People can determine which stance is more logical.

crimsonaudio · Sep 25, 2014

CrimsonForce said:
There is no fact to show that he didn't have anger in this situation either. IMO TS is not 100% innocent in the situation. The % he is guilty I don't know. I just do not believe he is 100% innocent. Never said he should be charged with murder or go to jail. How that has been construed and twisted by other people on here is beyond me. Wow. Amazing.

What's most incredible is we have since framed your argument exactly as you said is - you are assuming TS was angry and therefore behaved in a manner which means he bears some guilt (without even suggesting why he might be angry), while we're simply going on the evidence that we have from the accident.

Your pretzel logic is what it is, I'm done with this one.

CrimsonForce · Sep 25, 2014

Yea so am I. I actually have something to do at work now..

rizolltizide · Sep 25, 2014

FREE OJ!!

jthomas666 · Sep 25, 2014

This thread should have been home schooled.

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