Haha. That is what I thought about when I saw this term. We ran it in jr. high and it was a quick pass to the tight end.Not sure how revolutionary this pop pass is
Haha. That is what I thought about when I saw this term. We ran it in jr. high and it was a quick pass to the tight end.Not sure how revolutionary this pop pass is
That's what we ran. Called it tight end dump!Haha. That is what I thought about when I saw this term. We ran it in jr. high and it was a quick pass to the tight end.
I guess that (or a pick call) could have been called with the ball in the air, but you are not going to get those very often when it is out of the immediate area.Saw another thread (another board) about the notorious play against the barn.
I'm not sure about this, but is it a violation that all the "eligible" receivers downfield had already started blocking?
We called it "oops". On any draw play the QB could pull the ball back (or stop if he was the draw runner) and "pop" pass. The back and QB were supposed to yell OOPS so the linemen would not continue downfield. It was very funny and usually a touchdown when it worked.That's what we ran. Called it tight end dump!
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Yep, I played tight end and scores off that play. It's usually me and a safety by ourselves.We called it "oops". On any draw play he could pull the ball back and "pop" pass. The running back was supposed to yell OOPS so the linemen would not continue downfield. It was very funny and usually a touchdown when it worked.
Yeah, it's not really anything revolutionary in and of itself. The real groundbreaking thing about it is the use within the framework of HUNH offenses, and particularly as a part of "packaged" concepts.These plays are like most anything else - not new, really...
Who remembers Fran's little option-pass from Tyler Watts? Option wide, option wide, option wide - stop and pass.
If NFL teams continue to use these plays, the offense will stay around longer than many expect.Pete Carroll did cop to hatching the play. “We’ll go anywhere to find a play,” the Seattle coach said afterward. “And that one—uh, Muschamp at Florida, no … Auburn. They ran it. Give Gus Malzahn credit. That’s a great play. I kept telling them [the offensive staff and players] this summer, ‘It’ll work, it’ll work.’ But it didn’t work all summer.”
The reasons Carroll and Bevell liked the play when they watched Auburn run it last year against Alabama is simple. The read-option assumes the running back or the quarterback will run the ball—the running back if the quarterback sees a hole when he puts the ball in the back’s gut, or the quarterback if he sees traffic and knows he (the quarterback) needs to tuck it down and run. But what if the quarterback, about to get pummeled, pulled it down and just flipped it to the nearest receiver?
“That was a great read by Russell,” said Lockette. “He sees the corner coming up, and so he knows I’m free. It all happens fast, so he’s got to read the play in a split-second.”
And guess who whiffed on what would have been a touchdown-saving tackle on the Seattle receiver? Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.
Yeah, that was hard to watch but Ha Ha had a decent game overall. Had a sack and a fumble recovery and a handful of tackles.And guess who whiffed on what would have been a touchdown-saving tackle on the Seattle receiver? Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.
I turned the game off at that point. Still suffering from Iron Bowl PTSD I guess.
Even in the NFL. Seahawks did the same play. Wilson watched for the Packer's CB to take the bait, then lofted a pass over his head to Percy Harbin. But... if you're the CB and play disciplined football, this play won't work.Click
This is a long piece but worth the read. Provides a look at what Alabama is going to face in upcoming years as offenses continue to develop.
Say Sam Shields played "disciplined football" and played pass. What happens? Russell Wilson goes for 20 yards. The next time Seattle runs the play, what do you expect Shields to do? Play run or pass?Even in the NFL. Seahawks did the same play. Wilson watched for the Packer's CB to take the bait, then lofted a pass over his head to Percy Harbin. But... if you're the CB and play disciplined football, this play won't work.
Bingo. You nailed it. The refs, apparently, sometimes get caught up in the moment.And the play should never have happened because they had linemen illegally downfield.
I dont think it necessarily is the refs getting caught up in the moment. I think what you are basically seeing with that play is that the read-option pass is essentially an illegal play within the current framework of the rule book. You cant sell the run option of the play without OL getting downfield. Essentially you now have entire offenses and programs being sustained off what is essentially an illegal play. I think behind the scenes I think refs are just looking the other way - not calling it. It is an indefensible play and that contradicts the basic tenets of football in that there ought to be a defensive mechanism to stop the play to protect the integrity of the game. Its a loophole that entire programs are driving through now. I think not calling this penalty has allowed creep over into multiple players in motion and not calling enough men on the LOS, etc. This offensive approach is degrading the integrity of officiating right before our very eyes.Bingo. You nailed it. The refs, apparently, sometimes get caught up in the moment.
Play pass like his assignment calls for. Clay Matthews had the QB on this play. Go back and look at it.Say Sam Shields played "disciplined football" and played pass. What happens? Russell Wilson goes for 20 yards. The next time Seattle runs the play, what do you expect Shields to do? Play run or pass?
I found this article on the net from a few years ago. I think this explains perfectly what we are seeing exploited with offenses now and it not being called. Ironically, this article was from 2010 so its pretty apparent how much things have changed in a short timeframe. Also, as the article indicates it pretty apparent that this rule is in place for a reason as offensive coaches have tried to get this sort of advantage on the defense. Historically, it was obvious to protectors of the game that this sort of play was counterproductive to the game thus the origination of the rule.I dont think it necessarily is the refs getting caught up in the moment. I think what you are basically seeing with that play is that the read-option pass is essentially an illegal play within the current framework of the rule book. You cant sell the run option of the play without OL getting downfield. Essentially you now have entire offenses and programs being sustained off what is essentially an illegal play. I think behind the scenes I think refs are just looking the other way - not calling it. It is an indefensible play and that contradicts the basic tenets of football in that there ought to be a defensive mechanism to stop the play to protect the integrity of the game. Its a loophole that entire programs are driving through now. I think not calling this penalty has allowed creep over into multiple players in motion and not calling enough men on the LOS, etc. This offensive approach is degrading the integrity of officiating right before our very eyes.
The play was defended the second time they run it. Collinsworth described how it was played properly by the DB and they showed a replay.Even in the NFL. Seahawks did the same play. Wilson watched for the Packer's CB to take the bait, then lofted a pass over his head to Percy Harbin. But... if you're the CB and play disciplined football, this play won't work.