Re: Penn State's bowl eligibility has been restored
I'm sorry but they shouldn't even have a football program at Penn State imo.
I'm sorry but they shouldn't even have a football program at Penn State imo.
As I watched the students riot and protest the night they tore down Paterno's statue, and their celebrations last night, and as I've watched the reactions of their fans and Paterno's family, it is abundantly clear that they are all guilty on some level for what went on up there. I just don't understand how you are failing to acknowledge that fact that a child rapist monster was allowed safe harbor within that community for years ruining only God knows how many young peoples' lives. No one in that community that knew about it - and there were several - was humane enough to put a stop to it. And the reactions of that entire fan base has shown that they still don't get it. They still don't understand.There's no difference in the principle. Whether I commit jay walking or murder, I'm the one who should be punished. We don't throw the whole family in jail because of what the father did. Everyone brings up corporate law. Yes, sometimes employees are harmed during the course of an investigation and enforcement action. That is always the unintended and unavoidable result of punishment. Innocent employees are not targeted for punishment, and in the very rare case where corporations do fold, it is almost always the result of litigation liability rather than a government action. I have no doubt Penn State will be paying out judgments to victims for a very long time, and they should. The bowl ban was never the primary or even the secondary punishment for what went on at Penn State.
I understand your point, but I think cutting them any slack given the nature of the offense was bound to upset people. You don't correct one mistake (not terminating the program) by making another mistake (reducing the penalties.)I actually have no problem with this view. But once the decision was made not to do so, then I think this was the appropriate course of action. I think people are misguiding their anger at the NCAA's decision today--the right one in my view--with their decision two years ago.
Yeah, I think Albert Means high school coaches getting some cash to steer him to UA kind of pales in comparison to felonious chid abuse being covered up to protect a program. Let's not forget vacating wins for some guys getting a few extra textbooks. Pure Crap.This is without question a completely different situation. With Alabama, who was actually harmed by what someone somehow connected to the program did?
At Penn State, children were raped and it was covered up! I don't see how one can even find a way to compare the two. It seems like a mental defect to somehow view those things as having any commonality.
Here's the worst part, more children were harmed to cover up for the program! That's why the punishment was so important. Who did it hurt when a player signed a deal on a napkin? Who did it hurt when someone got a payment? Now ask who did it hurt when for the sake of a football program, a child rapist was allowed to continue. Seriously, I don't want people getting locked up for smoking weed either, but that doesn't mean I suddenly want the jails emptied of rapists. I don't see how people can't draw such logical distinctions.
This, we will probably never know how many people knew Sandusky was raping children and looked the other way. But, there's no doubt that it was more than a few. They all acted to serve their god, the Penn State football program, and sacrificing innocent children to their god was perfectly acceptable.As I watched the students riot and protest the night they tore down Paterno's statue, and their celebrations last night, and as I've watched the reactions of their fans and Paterno's family, it is abundantly clear that they are all guilty on some level for what went on up there. I just don't understand how you are failing to acknowledge that fact that a child rapist monster was allowed safe harbor within that community for years ruining only God knows how many young peoples' lives. No one in that community that knew about it - and there were several - was humane enough to put a stop to it. And the reactions of that entire fan base has shown that they still don't get it. They still don't understand.
The power and prestige of that program is what was used to shield that monster. That is what should have been torn down and destroyed forever. Now, it's been made stronger than ever.
My take May be unpopular but I think the punishment the NCAA gave them were stupid. I think the bowl and scholarship ban and reeducations were basically the same as USC and us with two meaningless yearsI really appreciate BamainBoston's take on the issue. Sometimes it is very hard to argue an unpopular position and stand up for an unpopular opinion, even when it makes sense. Punishment should always be directed at those that deserve the punishment. Punishment should always be given by the organization society agrees upon to determine the punishment.
I also appreciate the other's take on the culpability of the organization fans, and yes even the players that are currently on the team. There is something to the fact that they want to be associated with an institution that allowed this to go on to the point IMO that they deserve some repercussions. This is not just witch hunters hunting. This is a society wanting just punishment and an effective deterrent for egregious actions.
I do believe bowl bans were a horrible and not very effective punishment. Removing them makes no difference either way. The NCAA is the wrong organization to determine and levy the punishment for the crimes. The problem is that everyone was clambering for any and every way to try to right the wrong and the NCAA had to act. What is happening now is as much a result of the general outcry forcing the wrong organization to act as anything else.
That is enough I's for now.
If this timeline is accurate, there's no way Paterno didn't know.Do we know for sure what Paterno et al. knew and when he/they knew it. I thought there was still much undecided over this.
^^^^This^^^^^This, we will probably never know how many people knew Sandusky was raping children and looked the other way. But, there's no doubt that it was more than a few. They all acted to serve their god, the Penn State football program, and sacrificing innocent children to their god was perfectly acceptable.
This is what some are deliberately overlooking, how rotten to the core Penn State football became. What we are witnessing, in the behavior of the fans is despicable because they are showing a complete disregard for the victims. In the very least, this sort of thing should be met with somber behavior, their celebration shows the same depraved indifference that allowed the rape of children to go on for such a long time. They've learned nothing.
Some clearly reached a crazy cult sort of behavior, and that crowd demonstrates it. Being a fan is one thing, but I never, at any point, have had any sort of tolerance for fans that find a degree of acceptance for rapists. I guess that crowd probably went home and celebrated with some Michael Jackson songs and then a Roman Polanski movie or two. There are people like that, far too many, who find a way to overlook or excuse rape. I can't, I don't forgive for that sort of thing, I don't overlook that sort of thing, and I don't find any cause for celebration amidst that sort of thing. Imagine how you, as a victim would feel looking out at that crowd celebrating the very people complicit in your rape! Hey look, here's a cardboard standout of the guy who knew children were being raped and did nothing. Yayy!!!
Here's what we know. Penn State football enabled children to be raped. Not just individuals, because the individuals themselves lacked the means to do it. Penn State football itself was guilty! Acts were done on Penn State football's behalf, acts were done with Penn State football's protection. It went well beyond a couple bad seeds, and it went to the point that multiple Penn State coaches were complicit, and multiple people in positions of higher authority were complicit, and we'll probably never know the true extent of enabling, complicity, and dare I say participation. There is something very wrong and sick in that town, and it's pretty much seeped into the groundwater. People speak of punishing the players, what player would want to play for such a despicable program? Who would want to be a part of something with such a horrible recent history? You've got to be at least a little off to be able to do that.
Wow unbelievable.and decided during the week when victim #27 comes forward....yet another child that was drawn in by the State Penn program long after everyone in control knew this guy should not be with kids at a state penn football game
glad bostonbama is so happy for the cultists, errrr, state penn fan base
http://www.statecollege.com/news/lo...-penn-state-sandusky-and-second-mile,1460693/
I thought you were done with this thread but I guess it was just wishful thinking.There's no difference in the principle. Whether I commit jay walking or murder, I'm the one who should be punished. We don't throw the whole family in jail because of what the father did. Everyone brings up corporate law. Yes, sometimes employees are harmed during the course of an investigation and enforcement action. That is always the unintended and unavoidable result of punishment. Innocent employees are not targeted for punishment, and in the very rare case where corporations do fold, it is almost always the result of litigation liability rather than a government action. I have no doubt Penn State will be paying out judgments to victims for a very long time, and they should. The bowl ban was never the primary or even the secondary punishment for what went on at Penn State.