Alabama can still win their way to a championship

KrAzY3

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I'm upset with the loss, and I'm upset with the injuries. It wouldn't have been an enjoyable game for me either way, but Alabama lost and that's that. However, several undefeated teams lost, several ranked teams lost, and that's important here.

I don't trust the committee. The BCS formula would have been so much better. But, they set up the rules and it will be hard for them to break them blatantly. Alabama didn't fall far in the polls due to all the chaos and their loss was a good as loss as a contender can hope to have. The committee will likely try to hold not being conference champions against Alabama if nothing changes, but perhaps two stupid things can cancel themselves out, since they also are supposed to take injuries into account as well.

It appears as though Alabama is likely to end up in any top 4 if they win out. A quick look at Sagarin relaxed my anxiety a bit. Here's how that looks:
1 Auburn A = 96.61 5 0 75.40( 9) 0 0 | 3 0 | 96.75 1 | 95.65 1 | 95.98 1
2 Oklahoma A = 93.27 4 1 75.59( 8) 0 1 | 2 1 | 95.22 2 | 92.20 2 | 91.98 4
3 Mississippi A = 92.45 5 0 70.19( 28) 1 0 | 1 0 | 90.63 7 | 91.90 3 | 92.82 3
4 Alabama A = 91.79 4 1 72.48( 18) 0 1 | 2 1 | 93.60 4 | 90.29 4 | 93.27 2
5 Baylor A = 91.40 5 0 62.74( 104) 0 0 | 0 0 | 94.08 3 | 90.18 5 | 90.55 7
6 Texas A&M A = 89.99 5 1 69.76( 34) 0 1 | 1 1 | 88.59 8 | 89.81 6 | 88.47 10
7 TCU A = 89.01 4 0 65.64( 76) 1 0 | 1 0 | 91.40 5 | 87.36 9 | 91.12 6
8 Mississippi State A = 88.72 5 0 68.83( 42) 1 0 | 2 0 | 91.21 6 | 87.15 11 | 90.24 8

Now, if we had the old BCS standings, Alabama would already be on the verge of getting in at this point. They're still in, in some computers and #7 in both polls. Winning out would insure that. Instead, I can only surmise that committee will act in a sane manner.
The key here is that no team outside of the SEC West has beaten an SEC West team. While this probably won't hold up, to a certain extent the SEC West has locked in a very high SoS for the rest of the year, and that will keep climbing as they play each other. For instance, a couple of weeks ago Alabama had an SoS in the 70s, now it's 18.

A look over that list though, shows what Alabama has to do in order to get in. They already used their mulligan, it's practically certain they have to win out now. But, if they do, that means beating #1, #6, and #8 (or if you go by the AP, #2, #3, and #14). On the field they can clear a path that puts them at least #4 in the polls (Florida State and Notre Dame play each other), and that would certainly put them in the top 4 of the computers.

Now, of course the committee could still look at a top ten SoS, a top 4 ranking, top 4 in the computers, and still keep them out. But, they couldn't do that and retain an ounce of respect. At this point I think Alabama controls their destiny, and while I think it's extremely unlikely that they do win out, given the issues they have, only a travesty from the committee can keep them out if they do.

Edit: If I look at the teams according to rank, and just assume the top ranked teams win out (and Alabama does as well) it comes out like this:
#1 FSU
#2 Ole Miss
#3 Baylor
#4 Alabama

The only major conference team left, that I'm aware of, that could be undefeated in that scenario is Arizona and they're a heck of a long shot to run the table (they only beat UTSA by a single score and all but 4 of their wins are by a single score).
 
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RTR251

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The team would have to win all the way out and Ole Miss has to lose 2 conference games so Bama can make it into the championship game.
 

KrAzY3

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The team would have to win all the way out and Ole Miss has to lose 2 conference games so Bama can make it into the championship game.
I honestly am not seeing that as being mandatory. The committee has stated that conference champs matter (though some say tie breaker, go figure), but they also said SoS and injuries matter. Well, Alabama's loss involved injuries. Furthermore, Michigan State's SoS sits at 51, so assuming both teams win out, I see no way they could justify pushing Michigan State ahead of Alabama, since Alabama would have 2 of the 3 criteria in their favor. Of course I think SoS is the only one of the three that should matter, but that still favors Alabama.

The conference champ thing, well in the top four I edited in, that includes 3 of the 5 conference champs. That leaves the Big 10, which has such a horrible SoS and performance that they still need help to get in, and the Pac-12. Now, may be Arizona wins out, and in that case yes, I think your scenario might become mandatory, but just looking at schedules I'm not seeing Alabama winning the SEC as being a true requirement. I think you'll probably have at least a one loss PAC 12 champion as well, they're going to have a lower SoS, and if the committee follows their own rules, Alabama gets in.

Of course, the committee can go rogue and just do something absurd, that's always possible, but the path for Alabama is pretty clear and doesn't require any crazy days in which several of the top teams lose. As of right now, Alabama can win their way to the 4 of both polls without any upsets (other than Alabama victories). That's a pretty clear path...
 
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GreatDanish

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We are the top rated one-loss team. We will continue to be the top rated one-loss team. If we win out, I like our chances.
 

Bruce014

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Ole Miss may well lose to Texas A&M and Auburn and Miss State. If any two tag them then Bama controls its destiny to the SEC CG.
 

CRMSNtide

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The teams we play the rest of the way can help, beat MSU, AU and A&M and we'll be pumped right back up, plus if Ole Miss runs the table, they will be ranked #1 or #2, making losing to them on the road easier to take.

Of course none of this matters unless the team fights back and plays thier best football.
 
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I honestly am not seeing that as being mandatory. The committee has stated that conference champs matter (though some say tie breaker, go figure), but they also said SoS and injuries matter.
I hear what you're saying, and I hope you're right.

But IMO, there's virtually no way that the committee will put two teams from the same conference in the playoffs in the inaugural season, especially if that conference is the SEC, especially if that second team didn't even win its division, especially if that non-division winner is Bama (when that is exactly the scenario that precipitated the playoffs to begin with), especially if there's somebody else - anybody else - that could arguably take the 4th slot, like say Michigan State, Big 12 Champ (Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, or TCU), Notre Dame, PAC 12 Champ (California, Arizona, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, or Utah), or even an undefeated Marshall.

As things stand, I see the playoffs consisting of:

1. SEC Champ
2. FSU
3. Big 12 Champ
4. Michigan State or Pac 12 Champ, whoever's most viable

IMO, we need to win the conference. IMO, to the committee, Conference Championship > SOS + Injuries. The only way we get in without winning the conference is if MSU drops another game, all Pac 12 contenders also each drop another, and Marshall suffers at least one loss. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
 

Crimson1967

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If us, the barn and Ole Miss all finish 7-1, they would have to use a tiebreaker to determine who went to Atlanta. Under the old system, they took the top two in the BCS and then head to head. So if they use the committee rankings, we'd go to Atlanta in this scenario if us and barn are both ahead of Ole Miss in the rankings.

So we can get to Atlanta if Ole Miss only loses one game.
 

davefrat

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you may be technically correct, but if the team that played yesterday doesn't get better we won't win out.

at this point we will be lucky if we split with miss st and auburn.

and that's not giving up on the team and saying the sky is falling, it's saying that i think they are both better teams than we are right now.
 

TrampLineman

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We could easily win out and still go.

Ole Miss is NOT going to win out.

They have:

@aTm
@LSU
the barn
@Arky
Mississippi State

They could easily drop 3 games or more. They could drop all the road games and even the barn and MSU. I still say our worry is more the barn and MSU than Ole Miss.
 

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If us, the barn and Ole Miss all finish 7-1, they would have to use a tiebreaker to determine who went to Atlanta. Under the old system, they took the top two in the BCS and then head to head. So if they use the committee rankings, we'd go to Atlanta in this scenario if us and barn are both ahead of Ole Miss in the rankings.

So we can get to Atlanta if Ole Miss only loses one game.
New Tiebreakers in lieu of BCS ranking:

Two-Team Tie

In the event two teams are tied for a division title, the following procedure will be used in the following order:
A. Head-to-head competition between the two tied teams;
B. Records of the tied teams within the division;
C. Head-to-head competition against the team within the division with the best overall (divisional and non-divisional) Conference record, and proceeding through the division (multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last and a tie for first place will be broken before a tie for fourth place);
D. Overall record against non-divisional teams;
E. Combined record against all common non-divisional teams;
F. Record against the common non-divisional team with the best overall Conference record (divisional or non-divisional) and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division; and
G. Changed: Combined SEC record of the team’s cross-divisional opponents


Three-Team Tie (or more)

If three teams (or more) are tied for a division title, the following procedure will be used in the following order: (Note: If one of the procedures results in one team being eliminated and two remaining, the two-team tiebreaker procedure as stated in No. 1 above will be used):
A. Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams
B. Record of the tied teams within the division
C. Head-to-head competition against the team within the division with the best overall Conference record (divisional and non-divisional) and proceeding through the division (multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last and a tie for first place will be broken before a tie for fourth place)
D. Overall Conference record against non-divisional teams
E. Combined record against all common non-divisional teams
F. Record against the common non-divisional team with the best overall Conference record (divisional and non-divisional) and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division; and
G. Changed: Combined SEC record of the team’s cross-divisional opponents
 

RJ YellowHammer

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Krazy is right. If Ole Miss wins out and we win out, and the committee is sane (your guess is as good as mine), there's no way we get left out. If we win the West, we get in.The SEC West has more teams in the top 10 than most conferences have in the top 25 - let that sink in. We couldn't be left out for a road loss to the SEC West champ and winning it takes care of everything.

That said, I don't think we win out and I don't think Ole Miss wins the West. I'm not saying I don't want us to be in or that we should set our hair on fire or demand radical changes if we drop a couple more. I just don't think we're a dominating team this year. Doesn't mean we won't be again... Soon.

RTR
 

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We could easily win out and still go.

Ole Miss is NOT going to win out.

They have:

@aTm
@LSU
the barn
@Arky
Mississippi State

They could easily drop 3 games or more. They could drop all the road games and even the barn and MSU. I still say our worry is more the barn and MSU than Ole Miss.
The barn and MSU may be better teams, but the point is, if we win out, we win the tiebreaker over each of them regardless of what they do from here on out. But in the case of Ole Miss, they have the tiebreaker over us even if they only lose one game. So we have to have them lose two games if we win out, if we want to go to Atlanta.
 

Crimson1967

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Ole Miss has Tennessee and Vandy, while we have UT and Florida, so we'd most likely be ahead of them in a three way tie.

Why is there such a list for a two way tie? A game cannot end in a tie, so head-to-head is the only tie breaker needed.
 

KrAzY3

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First, to be clear I think two things are extremely unlikely to happen. I don't think Alabama wins out (they have to improve) and I don't think there are not going to be major shakeups. There will probably be some more chaos, as teams are just getting into conference play, and FSU is very lucky to be undefeated right now. If Alabama wins out, I find it far more likely they get into the playoff, then I think the odds are that the committee finds a way to keep them out though.

I hear what you're saying, and I hope you're right.

But IMO, there's virtually no way that the committee will put two teams from the same conference in the playoffs in the inaugural season...
I am adamantly against the playoff and even more so against the committee. If the committee blatantly refuses to put the right teams in there, it will ruin my ability to enjoy college football a great deal. I think the criteria is a bad idea and I think they should have used the BCS formula.

However, they have very little credibility as of right now. If they keep an obviously deserving team out, it will reflect very poorly on them and destroy what credibility they have. I just don't think they'll be so bold as to do that yet. Also, one of the few things to keep them in check is that they release their first rankings on October 28. Now, at that point no conference champions will be decided. Once they establish their rankings, they won't be able to just move a team up or down two or three places without presenting a logical reason, so unless they badly under-rank Alabama (assuming Alabama hasn't lost again yet), Alabama will be in a good position.

To compare Michigan State and Alabama is to easily favor Alabama right now. Michigan State's SoS is 51, Alabama's is 18 (and will go up). Alabama's loss was a "better" loss, and they suffered injuries in that loss as well. If Michigan State jumps Alabama merely because they win their conference, and the committee overlooks all those other factors (which they are supposed to include), they'll have made a farce of the entire playoff.

Ole Miss has Tennessee and Vandy, while we have UT and Florida, so we'd most likely be ahead of them in a three way tie.
Miss. State is out of it in a three way tie, they have Vandy and Kentucky. Auburn seems like they're in the best position, they have Georgia and South Carolina, but South Carolina has already lost 3 SEC games. Right now, Georgia's narrow victory over Tennessee looms large (Alabama's opponents would have been 3-2 and Auburn's would have been 3-4), and we have plenty of reasons to cheer for Florida and Tennessee in their other SEC games. Also, we have even more reasons to cheer against Auburn now. We don't want a three way tie with them.

But... if Alabama can slide in without playing in the SECCG, well that's to their advantage in the long run, so getting in at #3 or #4 without winning the conference is not necessarily a bad scenario.

Anyway, I can foresee a some things that could muck up a clear path to a championship for Alabama. One would be for Notre Dame to beat FSU and both to win out. That could be disruptive. Also, if Arizona somehow finds a way to win out (their SoS is in the 70s now, they haven't looked good except for one game). Those are the two things that could keep Alabama from having a clear path in my mind, but really that's about it.
 
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