Bruce Jenner Update
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John Hopkins closed down their transgender center when they completed a study that showed the operations were not helpful but mostly harmful; they found in the study that most clients had psychiatric problems and the operations were more harmful than helpful.
We agree here btw.
A couple of things here:
1) Ashe was not known to be gay nor am I saying he was; I just used that as an example of courage in that day and age. Again, not knocking him so much as ESPN's seemingly PC decision-making. I would note, however, that back in that day it was not something one would advertise anyway. That's all I meant (I know you get this, Earle, but some won't).
2) It is PRESUMED that Ashe got it from a blood transfusion and perhaps he did. I'd have to know more about the strain of HIV and some other factors that quite frankly are none of my business and don't matter anyway. (It's sorta like that whole whether Kimberly Bergalis - the one infected by the dentist - was a virgin or not. The fact is that the CDC investigated the genetics of the whole deal and she and the other five were unquestionably infected by the dentist - it is now presumed the dentist was on a vindictive mission of some kind and it was a form of murder, at least last I read on it). However - we all know that was the common appeal that people who didn't want to be found out made back in the day - "I got it from a blood transfusion." We know that Ryan White, for example, did. And I'm sure others have, it's just that was a common way of hiding how you actually got it since it was far less likely post-1985 than it was before.
3) Let me backtrack just a bit on Arthur Ashe here for a second because I don't want anyone thinking I'm dissing the poor guy. In fact, one could argue Ashe was a model of courage for how he faced racism at a difficult time in a lily white sport (sort of a Tiger Woods but not that dominant in his field) and how he came back from a heart attack at an early age. So let me modify my original statement so it doesn't sound like it's dissing Ashe; it's not that I even have a problem with it but sometimes how we define words in this country - courage, hero, etc - sometimes unsettles me. And I reiterate that how his privacy was violated was horrific regardless. I'm guessing with HIPAA nowadays there'd probably be some lawyers getting rich if it happened.
I find this interesting with my blood banking experience. (Incidentally, I got a call about a possible job as night shift lab tech in the blood bank at Druid City Hospital last week).
You are being awfully judgemental, and some people don't appreciate that:
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/bl...-like-impostors-in-their-fully-working-bodies
What is really pathetic about this whole thing is that Bruce Jenner has been all over every single type of news media today, from Facebook to newspapers, and all these people touting what a wonderful thing this is that he became his inner woman; not because they really care, but because they want to be seen as accepting and hip and enlightened. It seems every other blurb on my news feed is someone fishing for likes with a Bruce Jenner article. They most likely had to search for who he even is. I know I did. So here they are, feeding his delusion so that they can look accepting. It's sick.
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It honestly sickens me a little bit how many of you would encourage someone to go through with their disorder. This is no different than encouraging a morbidly obese person with a binge eating disorder to go to an all you can eat buffet. Or encouraging someone suffering from depression to jump off a building.
This isn't about being PC. This isn't about an agenda. This is about getting sick people help.
The statistics show that the suicide rate for these folks is staggeringly high compared to the rest of the population. You want to help these people? Don't hand them a scalpel.
This isn't even some complex problem that needs debating. It's labeled a "disorder," for a reason, because it's a disorder. And some of you want to label Jenner heroic and courageous because he's giving in to that disorder? Is this real life?
This isn't about being PC. This isn't about an agenda. This is about getting sick people help.
The statistics show that the suicide rate for these folks is staggeringly high compared to the rest of the population. You want to help these people? Don't hand them a scalpel.
This isn't even some complex problem that needs debating. It's labeled a "disorder," for a reason, because it's a disorder. And some of you want to label Jenner heroic and courageous because he's giving in to that disorder? Is this real life?
It's a plausible option at this point. It may depend upon how badly I get wiped out in the divorce. Since she abandoned me and this is Texas, probably not that badly. My parents are about to move back to Columbus, MS, where their house is paid for, and my Dad has offered to help me get/stay on my feet. Since 82 is now a four-lane from Columbus to T-Town and the trip can be made in 45 minutes as opposed to the old 75 or so, it might be the option I choose.
The down side is my son being here and that's what I must decide. However - and this is SERIOUS btw - he is a high school junior and a cheerleader working his way toward scholarship. If ANY of you know any way I can get him a scholly to UA (know somebody or something like that) PLEASE email me and give me advice. I'm trying to keep him from getting out of college paying more money than he'll ever earn y'know.
So it IS a possibility and our reign of terror over college football is a definite plus right now for some happiness, too.
No, it's not. If you're going to disagree for the sake of having an argument, please stop.
It's called Gender Identity Disorder. Disorder.
You may want to look up the meaning of the word because I'm starting to think you don't know what it is.
I have looked it up and read about the causes. We do not know at this time what the causes were here. Until we do it is improper to do as some here have done and simply say that Jenner is a little crazy.
With all else we know about Ashe, I think it's a good guess that he would have not only come out, he would have made it a crusade. And we know that the blood supply was horrendously unsafe at that period of time. We didn't even know what to look for until the epidemic was well under way. I worry even now, TBF, with the two units I had to receive. However, my niece has cirrhosis, owing to a medication. She drinks very little alcohol and, in fact, none now. However, without the protein manufactured by the liver, her blood vessels "leak," leading to massive transfusions on a regular basis. She's high on the transplant list, because of her youth, but very recently, it appears her liver has turned a corner and she may not have to have a transplant after all. However, my point is that, at the time Ashe had his transfusions, she would almost certainly have been HIV positive by now...
... and courageous!
Twitterverse is being very critical of Jenner's selection... Making it worse is that Lauren Hill doesn't appear to be receiving any award. Devon Still's daughter will receive the Jimmy V award for perseverence - rightfully so. I'm usually very forgiving of stuff like this - after all, it's just entertainment. But this is worse than Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan. This is like a human-equivalent to Gigli winning over The Godfather. Except 1,000,000 times worse.
I disagree completely and actually agree with Bamaro, which may be a sign of the apocalypse or something.
And if the fat person wants to eat who am I to berate them or keep them from their meal? Depending on number of factors they very well may outlive you and me.
As for suicide, I think the way we treat people has an impact on their well being and rte of depression and suicide among certain groups. We are social creatures, after all. And when we make someone feel that we believe they are worthless they too often take it at face value.
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