All-Inclusive Ebola thread...

TIDE-HSV · Oct 16, 2014

Re: If Ebola comes to America, it's the government's fault...

PacadermaTideUs said:
Earle, you planning on keeping this thread title updated?

Will it eventually be called, "Since ebola has come to America and spread, it's the government's fault"?

Yes, I have been updating it. I appreciate your observation. I'd intended to change "If" to "Since." I'll run do it now...

TIDE-HSV · Oct 16, 2014

Re: If Ebola comes to America, it's the government's fault...

PacadermaTideUs said:
Earle, you planning on keeping this thread title updated?

Will it eventually be called, "Since ebola has come to America and spread, it's the government's fault"?

Well, either I'd changed it or Randy or Brad beat me to it...

NationalTitles18 · Oct 16, 2014

Re: If Ebola comes to America, it's the government's fault...

TIDE-HSV said:
Or their normal baseline, like mine, are so depressed that their temps didn't qualify as a "fever."

Or their fever is intermittent.

NationalTitles18 · Oct 16, 2014

Re: If Ebola comes to America, it's the government's fault...

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/texas-nurse-hospital-ashamed-ebola-response/story?id=26255005

A Dallas nurse said today that the administrators of the hospital where two colleagues contracted Ebola should be “ashamed” that they asked the women to “undertake this huge, monumental task” of treating an Ebola patient without the proper equipment and training.

Aguirre described to ABC News a situation of “extreme chaos” in the isolation ward, where Ebola-infected patient Thomas Eric Duncan was treated.Aguirre entered the ward only after Duncan’s death and said she had to ask for a mop and start cleaning the floors with bleach herself when she realized no one from housekeeping was allowed to come in and clean the floors.
“The nurses were throwing their hands up and saying this is unbelievable,” she said of the isolation ward.
Aguirre also said the protocols from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were confusing and not clear. When Aguirre was given personal protective equipment that left her neck exposed, she was horrified.
“We were told, ‘You take our guidelines and you do with it what you will,’” said Aguirre of CDC guidelines. “You make a system that will effectively make this unit run.”
Aguirre said in order to take her equipment off without contaminating herself, a co-worker had to direct her to take tape off her neck without touching any of the exposed skin.

Unfortunately, her story is all too believable.

TIDE-HSV · Oct 16, 2014

Re: If Ebola comes to America, it's the government's fault...

NationalTitles15 said:
Or their fever is intermittent.

Yes. Until the grip of the disease became total, while the immune system was still fighting back, the fever would tend to go up and down...

TIDE-HSV · Oct 16, 2014

Re: If Ebola comes to America, it's the government's fault...

NationalTitles15 said:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/texas-nurse-hospital-ashamed-ebola-response/story?id=26255005

Unfortunately, her story is all too believable.

I'm afraid it's true. As I posted earlier, I have an avenue of knowledge to and about the director of ER services there and she and one other ER nurse said that the situation would remain chaotic until the present director were replaced...

TIDE-HSV · Oct 16, 2014

Re: If Ebola comes to America, it's the government's fault...

Well, they (at least the Texans) say everything is bigger in Tejas. Apparently that includes monumental hospital ER ignorance. They owe the rest of the country an apology for their incompetence and arrogance...

NationalTitles18 · Oct 16, 2014

Re: If Ebola comes to America, it's the government's fault...

TIDE-HSV said:
Well, they (at least the Texans) say everything is bigger in Tejas. Apparently that includes monumental hospital ER ignorance. They owe the rest of the country an apology for their incompetence and arrogance...

I am afraid that Tx Pres. is representative of a large number of hospitals/doctors/healthcare professionals across the country.

Ask anyone that works at a hospital and they will tell you that they are filthy places and that infection control is almost a joke at times (for a number of reasons ranging from an emergency situation where it's not the most important thing to lack of hand washing to shoddy cleaning). Thing is, most of the time "we" get away with it because most infections are not so deadly and most that potentially are can be treated with ABX. Nosocomial infections are an epidemic in and of themselves.

The fact that admins there did not feel the gravity of the situation is both frightening and appalling, but it is not surprising.

TIDE-HSV · Oct 17, 2014

Re: If Ebola comes to America, it's the government's fault...

NationalTitles15 said:
I am afraid that Tx Pres. is representative of a large number of hospitals/doctors/healthcare professionals across the country.

Ask anyone that works at a hospital and they will tell you that they are filthy places and that infection control is almost a joke at times (for a number of reasons ranging from an emergency situation where it's not the most important thing to lack of hand washing to shoddy cleaning). Thing is, most of the time "we" get away with it because most infections are not so deadly and most that potentially are can be treated with ABX. Nosocomial infections are an epidemic in and of themselves.

The fact that admins there did not feel the gravity of the situation is both frightening and appalling, but it is not surprising.

Yes, I've heard all of the same stuff. It'll all shake out in the law suits..

chanson78 · Oct 17, 2014

Re: Since Ebola has come to America, its spread will be the government's fault...

So since it is becoming more clear that this was incompetence on the part of the hospital, how does it tie back into Obama actively trying to spread Ebola? Should he have forced the CDC to move this guy to one of the 4 approved institutions? Should he have trained the hospital staff himself? Should he have ordered the hospital nuked to ensure all Americans are safe?

Bama Reb · Oct 17, 2014

Re: Since Ebola has come to America, its spread will be the government's fault...

What's funny is that the African nations from where this Ebola virus is emanating have decided that the best way to control it is to close their borders, and they have now done that.
The reason the politicians in DC have not closed our own borders is that it would then stop the continual flow of people that are coming across our southern border already. They want these folks to keep coming because in their minds they represent a huge future voting bloc.
We ought to know by now that the health and economic well being of our own citizens means little to nothing in their eyes.
And if you notice, I did not mention the "present administration" because it's not on their shoulders alone. The blame goes to them of course, but not them alone. Most members of Congress, the house and senate as well, need to carry their own share of the blame.

Bamaro · Oct 17, 2014

Re: Since Ebola has come to America, its spread will be the government's fault...

If the infection continues to increase we will eventually pass a threshold where travel will be limited. Right or wrong it appears that most feel that we haven't reached that threshold yet.

ValuJet · Oct 17, 2014

Re: Since Ebola has come to America, its spread will be the government's fault...

Bamaro said:
If the infection continues to increase we will eventually pass a threshold where travel will be limited. Right or wrong it appears that most feel that we haven't reached that threshold yet.

Already (as of Tuesday; probably higher now), 2/3 of those in an ABC News/Washington Post poll say there needs to be more restrictions on inbound travel from Ebola ravaged countries.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/220668-poll-two-thirds-back-ebola-travel-ban

Yet the White House says no. Why? Anyone want to take a stab at that one?

Bamaro · Oct 17, 2014

Re: Since Ebola has come to America, its spread will be the government's fault...

ValuJet said:
Already (as of Tuesday; probably higher now), 2/3 of those in an ABC News/Washington Post poll say there needs to be more restrictions on inbound travel from Ebola ravaged countries.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/220668-poll-two-thirds-back-ebola-travel-ban

Yet the White House says no. Why? Anyone want to take a stab at that one?

I cant answer your question other than saying that we shouldn't make policy based on polls. Bubba was criticized quite often about that.

ValuJet · Oct 17, 2014

Re: Since Ebola has come to America, its spread will be the government's fault...

Bamaro said:
I cant answer your question other than saying that we shouldn't make policy based on polls. Bubba was criticized quite often about that.

I couldn't agree more. It's just that when you said "most" I had already heard polling data that indicated otherwise. If you'd said "most in the administration" it would have been understandable.

Displaced Bama Fan · Oct 17, 2014

Re: Since Ebola has come to America, its spread will be the government's fault...

Bama Reb said:
What's funny is that the African nations from where this Ebola virus is emanating have decided that the best way to control it is to close their borders, and they have now done that.
The reason the politicians in DC have not closed our own borders is that it would then stop the continual flow of people that are coming across our southern border already. They want these folks to keep coming because in their minds they represent a huge future voting bloc.
We ought to know by now that the health and economic well being of our own citizens means little to nothing in their eyes.
And if you notice, I did not mention the "present administration" because it's not on their shoulders alone. The blame goes to them of course, but not them alone. Most members of Congress, the house and senate as well, need to carry their own share of the blame.

Well said.

Displaced Bama Fan · Oct 17, 2014

Re: Since Ebola has come to America, its spread will be the government's fault...

Bamaro said:
If the infection continues to increase we will eventually pass a threshold where travel will be limited. Right or wrong it appears that most feel that we haven't reached that threshold yet.

Well, when all domestic travel via airlines has been shut down and all the airlines declare bankruptcy, we'll have to ask ourselves, was it worth keeping airline routes open to west Africa other than military/WHO/CDC planes? I think we'll know the answer rather quickly.

Bamaro · Oct 17, 2014

Re: Since Ebola has come to America, its spread will be the government's fault...

Can you easily tell from looking at a passport where a person has recently been and when they were there?

Bamaro · Oct 17, 2014

Re: Since Ebola has come to America, its spread will be the government's fault...

Reportedly by CNBC an "Ebola Czar" is about to be appointed - Ron Klain

ValuJet · Oct 17, 2014

Re: Since Ebola has come to America, its spread will be the government's fault...

Displaced Bama Fan said:
Well, when all domestic travel via airlines has been shut down and all the airlines declare bankruptcy, we'll have to ask ourselves, was it worth keeping airline routes open to west Africa other than military/WHO/CDC planes? I think we'll know the answer rather quickly.

Airplanes are some of the filthiest places people are forced to congregate in very tight spaces to begin with. One would think the airline industry would be one of the first, if not THE first that the government would place support in terms of passenger safety on this issue.

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