Why not? IF the committee intends to shake things up, what better way than to do something ridiculous in year one, take all the heat up front and then never look back?
2014 = 2011?
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I can't believe you are putting me in the position of explaining to a supposed Alabama fan that Bama football is better than anything they play out West.
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I get your optimism, but the very reason this system was established was to prevent a repeat of the 2011 BCSCG. It was designed to prevent two SEC teams from playing for the championship.
There are five Power Five conferences and four playoff slots. That means, by definition, one conference champ is going to get left out. Add a second SEC team, and you leave out two conference champs.
If they just wanted the best four teams, they would not have insisted on a committee, they would have just selected the top four teams in the BCS.
But they explicitly did not want the top four teams in the BCS. Hence the committee.
Agreed, but that doesn't mean two SEC teams don't make the playoff - it simply means that the two SEC teams will face each other in the 'semi-final', insuring that only one makes it into the championship game.
If the committee varies too far from the norm (the coaches and AP polls) the uproar will be deafening, and not just by SEC folks - while many fans are short-sighrtd, there are smart folks in every fan base that can see a point in the future when their conference is head-and-shoulders better than the rest and their team gets left out...
SEC will have to wait until a precedent is set. Like a 11-1 non champion Michigan in 2006 put in with 12-0 B1G champion tOSU.
I hope you're right, but I would not be at all surprised to see the winner of the SECCG get in regardless of rank, and no other SEC team, again regardless of rank. That would not surprise me a bit.
No one ever went broke betting on the short-sightedness of the general public.
It is not so much a question of whose football is better than whose.
It is a question of who gets into the playoff.
You are assuming the best get in. Big assumption.
Oregon will lose again -- as will Mich State -- so, SEC will/should get 2 in.....
2 - zero loss teams left
15 Power 5 - 1 loss teams left......
Pac 12 teams with 1 loss -- Oregon, Ariz State, Ariz, Utah.....
SEC teams with 1 loss -- Bama, UGA, OM, Auburn
Notre Dame
Big 12 teams with 1 loss -- KState, Baylor, TCU
Big 10 Teams with 1 loss -- Mich State, Ohio State, Nebraska
ACC Teams with 1 loss -- Duke
Oregon still plays Utah (and Stanford this weekend)
Arizona still plays Utah and Ariz State
Arizona State still plays Utah, Notre Dame and Arizona.....
Notre Dame still plays Ariz State (Louisville and at USCw)
Duke plays no zero or 1 loss teams.....
Michigan State plays Ohio State......
Ohio State plays Michigan State
Nebraska plays no (zero or 1 loss) teams -- but do play at Wisconsin (Nov 15th)
K State plays at TCU, (at WVA), and at Baylor
TCU plays at WVA, K State....
Baylor plays at Oklahoma, and hosts K State
2 - zero loss teams left
15 Power 5 - 1 loss teams left......
Pac 12 teams with 1 loss -- Oregon, Ariz State, Ariz, Utah.....
SEC teams with 1 loss -- Bama, UGA, OM, Auburn
Notre Dame
Big 12 teams with 1 loss -- KState, Baylor, TCU
Big 10 Teams with 1 loss -- Mich State, Ohio State, Nebraska
ACC Teams with 1 loss -- Duke
Oregon still plays Utah (and Stanford this weekend)
Arizona still plays Utah and Ariz State
Arizona State still plays Utah, Notre Dame and Arizona.....
Notre Dame still plays Ariz State (Louisville and at USCw)
Duke plays no zero or 1 loss teams.....
Michigan State plays Ohio State......
Ohio State plays Michigan State
Nebraska plays no (zero or 1 loss) teams -- but do play at Wisconsin (Nov 15th)
K State plays at TCU, (at WVA), and at Baylor
TCU plays at WVA, K State....
Baylor plays at Oklahoma, and hosts K State
If Bama doesn't play in the SEC championship game, it will sit at home while at least a few other one-loss teams play.
Kansas State and Baylor play each other that day. TCU hosts Iowa State. TCU and K-State play in two weeks; the loser of that game will be eliminated.
Plus, Michigan State or Ohio State (presumably the winner of their November 8 matchup) will play for the B1G Championship, and their opponent could be a one-loss Nebraska team.
Oregon could be a one-loss team playing for the Pac-12 championship. Their possible opponent could be a one-loss Arizona State or Arizona team.
Now, tell me the committee is picking a one-loss Alabama team that didn't win its own division over a one-loss Big 12, B1G, or Pac-12 champion.
This thread is under the assumption Ole Miss is the SEC champion with one-loss. I'm going to assume Florida State wins out, as well. That's two spots in the playoff taken. A one-loss Alabama team isn't taking the spot of two one-loss conference champions.
Kansas State and Baylor play each other that day. TCU hosts Iowa State. TCU and K-State play in two weeks; the loser of that game will be eliminated.
Plus, Michigan State or Ohio State (presumably the winner of their November 8 matchup) will play for the B1G Championship, and their opponent could be a one-loss Nebraska team.
Oregon could be a one-loss team playing for the Pac-12 championship. Their possible opponent could be a one-loss Arizona State or Arizona team.
Now, tell me the committee is picking a one-loss Alabama team that didn't win its own division over a one-loss Big 12, B1G, or Pac-12 champion.
This thread is under the assumption Ole Miss is the SEC champion with one-loss. I'm going to assume Florida State wins out, as well. That's two spots in the playoff taken. A one-loss Alabama team isn't taking the spot of two one-loss conference champions.
I get why people think there won't be 2 SEC teams in the playoff. But, just as a reminder...
It was the coaches who put us in the championship in 2011. And the AP poll of media also had us as #2. The only entity that had us at #3 was computers.
So, coaches actually had to go against the computers to get us into the 2011 BCS championship. And - just to be sure that it wasn't SEC coaches that did it - if you took out SEC coaches, we still would have been #2. IIRC, Big 12 was the only conference whose coaches, as a group, did not put us at #2.
So, if PEOPLE complain about the result of 2011, it was their own fault. And, in the playoff scenario, they are removing the one component that actually tried to keep us out - the computers. It is my opinion that the problem with 2011 wasn't so much that it was two SEC teams - the voters themselves put us there. The problem was that no one else had a chance.
It was the coaches who put us in the championship in 2011. And the AP poll of media also had us as #2. The only entity that had us at #3 was computers.
So, coaches actually had to go against the computers to get us into the 2011 BCS championship. And - just to be sure that it wasn't SEC coaches that did it - if you took out SEC coaches, we still would have been #2. IIRC, Big 12 was the only conference whose coaches, as a group, did not put us at #2.
So, if PEOPLE complain about the result of 2011, it was their own fault. And, in the playoff scenario, they are removing the one component that actually tried to keep us out - the computers. It is my opinion that the problem with 2011 wasn't so much that it was two SEC teams - the voters themselves put us there. The problem was that no one else had a chance.
In that scenario, both us and Ole Miss would go. But they would definitely be the higher seed.
Also, if the Big 12 champ is a one loss Baylor, how can you put them ahead Bama when they lost to a team that Bama crushed?
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I'm going with this. The completely objective, non biased committee *snicker* could decide they want only conference champs in the Top 4. Then the only debate is 'which 4?'
Should've left the BCS to decide the playoff teams, if they were interested in an objective playoff ranking and seeding. But they didn't...they've left it up to a committee of humans to make the decision. We got the BCS precisely BECAUSE we were tired of humans screwing things up. Now, we're back to humans screwing things up.
The solution? Let's expand the playoffs to 8, 12, 16 teams! More money! Woo-freaking-hoo.
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All they have to do is play the "Conference Champion" card. Best to eliminate that option entirely, if possible.
CA, I hope you're right man but I just don't see it. Pray for my faith to increase :biggrin:
OSU/Mich St- best chances to lose is against nebraska in the BIG10 CG but that is stretching it
FSU-best chance is on Thursday, if it doesnt happen then it will be a big upset
Oregon- Stanford or Oregon St are the best chance
ND- Louisville or USC
BIG XII- Tcu/ Baylor/ KSU- I havent a clue who wins it but our best hope is WVU throwing a wrench in it and winning the conference
Its gonna be hard getting to the dance without winning in Atlanta unless the committee picks the 4 best teams rather than the conference champions with only one loss
FSU-best chance is on Thursday, if it doesnt happen then it will be a big upset
Oregon- Stanford or Oregon St are the best chance
ND- Louisville or USC
BIG XII- Tcu/ Baylor/ KSU- I havent a clue who wins it but our best hope is WVU throwing a wrench in it and winning the conference
Its gonna be hard getting to the dance without winning in Atlanta unless the committee picks the 4 best teams rather than the conference champions with only one loss
One of the problems for 2-SEC teams to be in final four is FSU. The committee will be hard pressed to put 3 southern teams in the playoffs - especially if Notre Dame, Michigan State and Oregon all have just one loss.
It seems like the committee will be under enormous pressure to make the playoff an inter-regional affair.
It seems like the committee will be under enormous pressure to make the playoff an inter-regional affair.
Basically, I think any SEC team that only finishes with 1 loss is in. But there can only be a maximum of 2 of those due to the fact that we all play one another.
If tomorrow the committee puts us in the top 4 and we win out (even w/o a SEC championship appearance) we will be in the play-off. I believe beating LSWho on the road and beating possibly the #1 team at home and #5 team at home is a good enough resume to insure a play-off appearance under this scenario.
I'd say even if we're in the top 5 and win out we're in - as most likely MSU and Auburn would have to be ahead of us to put Bama 5th.
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