ESPN is going hard for the Buckeyes to be included in the playoff

rgw · Nov 19, 2014

Ohio State deserves to be in top four

Look at this gem:

Let’s first look at those losses. Is Arizona a better loss than Virginia Tech?

Arizona is 8-2 and ranked 15th in the committee’s latest poll. Virginia Tech is 5-5 and narrowly kept its bowl chances alive with a win over Duke last week.

Look a little deeper, though, and the differences aren't nearly so stark. Aside from the win over Oregon, Arizona hasn't beaten a Power 5 team with a winning record. Its two remaining games (at Utah and vs. Arizona State) will tell us more about the Wildcats’ true worth, but they needed a late turnover from Texas-San Antonio to win on Sept. 4, escaped Nevada by just a touchdown a week later, and toppled Cal a week after that thanks to a last-second Hail Mary. Virginia Tech has played essentially as well as Arizona, but while the Wildcats have four one-score wins, the Hokies have four one-score losses.

I mean, if you really think about it Alabama doesn't have a better win than a loss to Virginia Tech. I'm sure I'm not doing the math right, but VT could win out, Arizona lose out, and Zona would still have a better record than VT while playing in a tougher conference. Like I said, I can't be right about that.

B1GTide · Nov 19, 2014

I read that article earlier - stupid reasoning, IMO. Sounds like a HS kid came up with that rationale.

rgw · Nov 19, 2014

The thing is, there are some fair arguments that I'd listen to about Ohio State playing like a top four team right now. Damage controlling the VT loss by calling it essentially the same as losing to an 8-2 Arizona team is just laughable. The Buckeye argument should own the loss and instead focusing on metrics why they're one of the best today.

bamapuppy · Nov 19, 2014

I believe that at the end of the day, they will put Ohio State in over Mississippi Stat if both win out. Reason being the Conference Championship game will out weigh the V-Tech loss. And, the Big-10 used to be a decent conference. JMHO. I believe if things go as planned, it will be 1- BAMA 2- Oregon 3- Florida State, and 4- Ohio State with Miss. State, TCU, and Baylor the first three out. JMHO

bamaga · Nov 19, 2014

Don't sleep on Ohio St, they are playing really good football right now . I think Urban's third team at OSU is much better than the B1G. They lost to VT because they had a rookie QB and were replacing 4 out of 5 on the line. Talent and coaching is there. They just needed experience . Well , this is game 11 so they have that now.

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KillVols · Nov 19, 2014

curious why Minnesota remained at 25 after loss.... hmmm

ccc2259 · Nov 19, 2014

If Ohio State wins out, including the B10 championship, I would have a hard time not putting them in the top 4. Even if Miss State wins out.

rgw · Nov 19, 2014

ccc2259 said:
If Ohio State wins out, including the B10 championship, I would have a hard time not putting them in the top 4. Even if Miss State wins out.

Well, if (dark lord saban forbid) Alabama loses then State, Oregon, FSU, and Ohio State is a pretty solid chance.

TideEngineer08 · Nov 19, 2014

I have advocated for Ohio State to move up to at least 5th if everyone wins out, with the acknowledgement that they should probably pass Mississippi State as well, but I wouldn't have an issue if they didn't.

They would certainly deserve to move past the Big 12 champion. But the loss to Virginia Tech is a bad one and cannot be excused away. A loss is a loss and a win is a win. If we're going to get to the point of excusing losses and overlooking wins and saying the two are essentially the same if the games are close then what is the point of playing?

RTR91 · Nov 19, 2014

Cecil Hurt debated the writer of this on Twitter earlier. Read the thread of comments here.

Tidewater · Nov 19, 2014

KillVols said:
curious why Minnesota remained at 25 after loss.... hmmm

Because their coach ate ice cream in a snowstorm?

TDBama78 · Nov 19, 2014

If OSU does their part they are in ,in their remaining games I bet the officiating will be questionable if need be. Their conference needs them in and TV needs them in. And they may actually deserve to be in we will see.the stage is being set for OSU to be in the playoff.

mdb-tpet · Nov 19, 2014

Yes, because losing to the now number 1 team (Miss St. loss to Alabama) is better than losing to a 5-5 team. Mississippi's only actual problem is they play in the SEC West. If OSU did too, they would have 2-3 losses.

skipster63 · Nov 19, 2014

ccc2259 said:
If Ohio State wins out, including the B10 championship, I would have a hard time not putting them in the top 4. Even if Miss State wins out.

I definitely think that is where this is going. And frankly I am ok with that. The committee is essentially following the BCS formula but with emphasis on conference championships. At least that is my opinion.

uaintn · Nov 19, 2014

All about the $$$. The Committee is going to spread it around as much as they can possibly justify. Despite that ugly loss to Va Tech, I think if Mississippi State, Ohio State, and Alabama win out, then Ohio State will slip past Mississippi State on Championship weekend while the Bulldogs are idle. I don't think Ohio State beating Wisconsin (?) in the Conference Championship is an easy task. My guess is the Committee will be rooting for the Rebel Black Bears to beat the Bulldogs and sort of "solve" the Mississippi State/SEC problem for them. Absent a loss by one of the current top teams, TCU and Baylor both get passed over and next year that conference adopts a championship game.

RTR91 · Nov 19, 2014

skipster63 said:
I definitely think that is where this is going. And frankly I am ok with that. The committee is essentially following the BCS selection criteria but with emphasis on conference championships. At least that is my opinion.

When was there a "BCS selection criteria?"

JBama_in_PCOLA · Nov 19, 2014

At first I was confused, but realized I read the title wrong. Also, CECIL IS THE MAN!

skipster63 · Nov 19, 2014

RTR91 said:
When was there a "BCS selection criteria?"

Point made. Meant formula.

Bob Minton · Nov 19, 2014

I live in Ohio and there is a lot of talk about how good OSU is now. So what....I think it should be the body of work. I don't care when you lost to V. Tech the fact is you lost to them and AT HOME to boot. Bama lost to Ole Miss several weeks ago, do we dismiss that too? Ultimately though more than anything the whole schedule for OSU stinks. They beat MSU which is a nice win. Beyond that.....? Even if they beat Wisconsin so what. Wisconsin lost on a neutral field to a terrible LSU team that has FOUR losses in the SEC including one to Miss. St. at LSU. If Miss. St. wins out they tied at worst for the division lead in the best division in college football. One thing I'm curious and not sure of, do the current playoff ranking assume conference titles for teams like Alabama/Oregon/FSU/OSU or will those be figured in after the season. That could alter the landscape if figured only after the season.

GreatDanish · Nov 19, 2014

Well, it's just one editorial. I wouldn't say "ESPN" is going hard for them to be included.

Having said that, I have no problem with Ohio State. They're playing better football right now than TCU or Baylor. If MSU doesn't get in, I hope OSU does. Except for the fact that I'd rather play TCU or Baylor.

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