Immigration Speech

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I love how he said that they illegally came here and broke the law but he only wants to deport the criminals.

Doesn't that statement mean that they are all criminals?
If you violate our country's laws, whether immigration or other laws, haven't you committed a crime. If you have committed a crime, then aren't you a criminal? Or if you have done something that I as Emperor of the United States don't think is a crime, then you are not a criminal. Too much legal jargon or mumbo jumbo to me!
 

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President Bush I did essentially the same thing in 1990, but Congress came along later that year and endorsed his action. However, that was before Congress became dysfunctional...
 

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This whole thing stinks to high heaven. We are supposedly a nation of laws, not of men. No one is above the law. Now the person who is supposedly the leader of this nation is not only openly putting himself above the law, he is creating law with the stroke of his pen. That is not a democracy. That is tyranny.
If he is allowed to make laws by himself without going through Congress, which btw is the only body authorized by our Constitution to make laws, then what is stopping everyone else from telling the federal gov't, as well as every other government body in this nation to "go fly a kite"?
If laws don't mean anything, why bother obeying them. We might as well go back to the Old West where and when there was no law except the law of "might makes right".
Someone please tell me why I shouldn't just consider myself a sovereign person and not subject to any jurisdiction or the laws it passes? Why should any of us bother obeying any laws? We should just do as we please and to heck with anyone who doesn't like it.
All these liberals make me sick. Truthfully, I'd like to find out where some of them live so that I could bust in their doors in the middle of the night, do what I want with them and their families, and take whatever I want and walk out the door like it doesn't mean a thing. Let them call the cops. So what? What can they do to me? I'd be breaking the law? What law?
 

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The president and his supporters point to Bush 43, 41 and Reagan and say they did it so now I'm going to do it.
Bush pointed to Clinton and other dems and said they did it so now I'm going to do it.
Its a vicious cycle.
Congress does the same thing, only the party in charge doing it changes.

In the end, one result in taking this specific action is encouraging more in the future to come here illegally.
 

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President Bush I did essentially the same thing in 1990, but Congress came along later that year and endorsed his action. However, that was before Congress became dysfunctional...
The Federal government is the one case that consistently turns the the slippery slope fallacy into the slippery slope reality. One violation of a standard becomes the justification for the next larger violation.

John C. Calhoun said:
"I do not belong to the school which holds that aggression is to be met by concession. Mine is the opposite creed, which teaches that encroachments must be met at the beginning.”
 

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President Bush I did essentially the same thing in 1990, but Congress came along later that year and endorsed his action. However, that was before Congress became dysfunctional...
Oh well, that makes it ok then. Tyrants come in all stripes and with all letters by their names. There was an inevitability that the executive branch would try to grow in power. The hope was that the other branches wouldn't be feckless geldings or worse coconspirators. We've have a little of both. Sad that money and not law is what is driving it all.
 

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Obama said:
to those Members of Congress who question my authority to make our immigration system work better, or question the wisdom of me acting where Congress has failed, I have one answer: Pass a bill.
Here's the thing. Congress has passed a bill. Obama does not like what it says, but there is an immigration statute on the books.
A decision not to change that law is itself a decision.
I am increasingly of the opinion that this polity collectively has a death wish.
 

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Obama keeps saying "Our immigration laws are broken". BS. The laws are not broken. They're just not being enforced. If they would bother enforcing the laws, we'd be in lot better position. No, we wouldn't be loved as much by those countries south of us, but so what?
The problem I see is only one: They want to pander to the Hispanics in hope of those immigrants becoming future voters. I see that as a big mistake, because in most cases, those individuals coming into this country illegally want nothing to do with assimilating into our culture and becoming taxpaying, voting citizens. They want a free ride. That is all. They have no intention of registering to vote for either (or any) party..
As for the rest of the citizens of this country, the government wants only two things. 1, Send them our tax money every year. 2. Disappear for the rest of the year.
 

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IIRC correctly (but maybe I'm not), I thought the executive orders by Reagan and Bush I were follow-ons to congressional action. I don't remember those actions running counter to the will of the congressional majority. Anyone recall?
 

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IIRC correctly (but maybe I'm not), I thought the executive orders by Reagan and Bush I were follow-ons to congressional action. I don't remember those actions running counter to the will of the congressional majority. Anyone recall?
Speaking of walls, The executive order by Reagan specifically noted that the borders were to be secured. The problem was that Congress never authorized the funding for that, so it never happened. Now, there's no mention of securing the borders, because that's the last thing in the world that this gov't wants to happen.
 

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FWIW, I did find this:

These Reagan and Bush 41 executive actions were obviously different than what Obama is doing now. They were trying to implement a complicated amnesty that Congress had already passed. Congress’ action was a form of immigration relief that obviously fit within our constitutional system. Moreover, Congress left a gap when it came to immediate family members, including minor children, of individuals who qualified for the amnesty. Presidents Reagan and Bush 41 forbore from deporting people in that select group.

Obama, in contrast to Reagan and Bush 41, is not trying to implement a lawfully created amnesty. There has been no congressional amnesty. In fact, there has been no immigration action from Congress in the past few years except the post-9/11 REAL ID Act of 2005, which made it harder, not easier, for aliens to qualify for immigration relief. More than that, Congress declined to pass a legalization of the type Obama is issuing during both Obama’s term and in a hotly-contested bill during President Bush 43′s term.

Thus, Obama is clearly contravening both ordinary practice and the wishes of Congress—as expressed in statute—by declaring an amnesty himself. This is nothing like Reagan’s or Bush’s attempts to implement Congress’ amnesty. The progressive media’s claims otherwise are blatant lies, relying on their readers’ ignorance of events in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Such attempts should be rejected wherever they are found.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/20/no-reagan-did-not-offer-an-amnesty-by-lawless-executive-order/
 

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Truthfully, I'd like to find out where some of them live so that I could bust in their doors in the middle of the night, do what I want with them and their families, and take whatever I want and walk out the door like it doesn't mean a thing. Let them call the cops. So what? What can they do to me? I'd be breaking the law? What law?
One lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, D.C. 20500

Have at it.
 

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Ironically, I'm sure the Feds would find the resources to stop such transportations.
They kind of already have, when the SCOTUS stopped AZ from detaining/deporting illegals...by saying that the Pres had the right to overrule the state's authority.
 

Al A Bama

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Obama keeps saying "Our immigration laws are broken". BS. The laws are not broken. They're just not being enforced. If they would bother enforcing the laws, we'd be in lot better position. No, we wouldn't be loved as much by those countries south of us, but so what?
The problem I see is only one: They want to pander to the Hispanics in hope of those immigrants becoming Socialist Democrat's future voters. I see that as a big mistake, because in most cases, those individuals coming into this country illegally want nothing to do with assimilating into our culture and becoming taxpaying, voting citizens. They want a free ride. That is all. They have no intention of registering to vote for either (or any) party..
As for the rest of the citizens of this country, the government wants only two things. 1, Send them our tax money every year. 2. Disappear for the rest of the year.
Fify and
You hit the nail squarely on the round head!
 

Al A Bama

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The president and his supporters point to Bush 43, 41 and Reagan and say they did it so now I'm going to do it.
Bush pointed to Clinton and other dems and said they did it so now I'm going to do it.
Its a vicious cycle.
Congress does the same thing, only the party in charge doing it changes.

In the end, one result in taking this specific action is encouraging more in the future to come here illegally.
I agree with that last statement! We currently have 11+ million. In the future that will be an even GREATER number unless something effective is done to prevent it from happening.

Why did the POTUS, I mean Emperor, say for approx. six years that he did not have the authority to do what he just did? Was he ENLIGHTENED over night or at least over the past few weeks?

We wouldn't have an immigration problem if several Presidents had effectively ENFORCED the existing immigration laws. Now, the current immigration laws probably need to be tweaked/updated to make them more effective and enforceable. But that's the job of Congress, not the President. Then the President needs to ENFORCE the laws passed by Congress.

Why didn't the Congress and the President do something about immigration during the current President's first two years in office. Were the Socialist Democrats in Congress and the President just too concerned/consumed with developing lies and deception for what became ObamaCare?

This needs to head directly to the SCOTUS when there is a separation of powers issue and dealt with ASAP!

Arrogance, lies, and deception! And liars, deceivers in waiting on the horizon: E. Warren, H. Clinton, et al.
 

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