B12 should rethink co-champs.

theballguy said:

Maybe if Tejas does an about-face on its outlook of the Big12 but if not, it ain't happening. Nebraska likes its chances in the B1G. They're also well-respected there. Colorado really likes being in the Pac12 even though they are the conference whipping boy. The only teams I think that it might make sense for would be Colorado State and Houston. It would have to be teams who are small enough and who are willing to take the abuse for the payoff.

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Wow so replacing Colorado with Colorado State and Texas A&M with Houston yikes... That's like replacing UGA with GA Tech and Florida with Miami. Only slightly better.

The Big 12 has walled itself off from the rest of the world. They should have added both Louisville and West Virginia when they had the chance. Then they could simply take in BYU today and have 12 members, with a pretty good mix of schools.

The problem isn't their commissioner. The problem is the conference exists for one reason - cater to Texas. I don't think it started out that way. But over the years, Bevo hasn't been able to control himself and Texas has basically ran off 4 good schools that they can never hope to replace. Serves them right, IMO.

But under the policies of the B-12 Tiebreaker, there was a "champion". It was Baylor. The Commish just really doesn't know the "Policy"!

i will ask this....who did ohio state beat? ohio state doesnt belong in the four team playoff. they beaten anyone, and have a worse loss than anyone else in the discussion. ohio state is there only because of their lame name. big 10 sucks; and has sucked for years. baylor and tcu both would destroy ohio state by 2TD's. Baylor is the only team that got screwed...and dont gimmie crap about a OOC schedule. the only power 5 ooc team ohio state played, they lost to...and that team sucked.

And Baylor or TCU does?

jef0071 said:

i will ask this....who did ohio state beat? ohio state doesnt belong in the four team playoff. they beaten anyone, and have a worse loss than anyone else in the discussion. ohio state is there only because of their lame name. big 10 sucks; and has sucked for years. baylor and tcu both would destroy ohio state by 2TD's. Baylor is the only team that got screwed...and dont gimmie crap about a OOC schedule. the only power 5 ooc team ohio state played, they lost to...and that team sucked.

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FWIW

FINAL SCORE -- Baylor (2015): 44 - Ohio State (2015): 59
Matchup Simulation Stats

• This game has been simulated 142 times.
• Baylor (2015) has won 40 times (28.2%), won by > 20 pts 10 times (7.0%)
• Ohio State (2015) has won 102 times (71.8%), won by > 20 pts 45 times (31.7%)
• The average score is Baylor (2015): 28.9 - Ohio State (2015): 39.4, decided by < 5 pts 25 times (17.6%)
• The game has gone into overtime 2 times (1.4%)

FINAL SCORE -- TCU (2015): 49 - Ohio State (2015): 56
Matchup Simulation Stats

• This game has been simulated 55 times.
• TCU (2015) has won 18 times (32.7%), won by > 20 pts 7 times (12.7%)
• Ohio State (2015) has won 37 times (67.3%), won by > 20 pts 13 times (23.6%)
• The average score is TCU (2015): 29.6 - Ohio State (2015): 35.6, decided by < 5 pts 7 times (12.7%)
• The game has gone into overtime 0 times (0.0%)

Coming Soon:

There will be 4 16 team leagues that will play a conference title game and the 4 participants will come from these games. Bank it.

Ldlane said:

But under the policies of the B-12 Tiebreaker, there was a "champion". It was Baylor. The Commish just really doesn't know the "Policy"!

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That's not actually what the tiebreaker refers to. A few weeks ago I made the same mistake you're making now. Then another poster pointed out that the tiebreak procedure is for the Big 12's automatic bid to the Sugar (or replacement when the Sugar is a semi-final site). That's what makes the "one true champion" slogan the object of such derision; it sounds nice, except that it just isn't true.

Redwood Forrest said:

There will be an eight team playoff before four 16 team conferences.

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I agree and would advocate eight 10 team conferences.

Redwood Forrest said:

Now that makes for some interesting shuffling. 64 power 5 plus Notre Dame. I assume the other 15 would come from the MWC and AAC.

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Yes it would. For instance in the SEC you drop Vandy, Kentucky,TAMU and Missouri. Move auburn to the East. You have two 5 teams division, everybody plays everybody (9 conference games) and no conference championship game. Winner to the field of eight. Every conference is set up that way.

tidefanbeezer said:

Stewart Mandel made a good point recently. I don't think the Big 12 should overreact to this one season. Had Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon or FSU had lost a Big 12 team would have made it in. This just happened to be a year where the top teams managed not to lose during Championship week.

Ultimately, I think they will move to a championship game, but to do so as a reaction to what happened in one season is silly.

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I am glad that the Big 12 got shut out because they seem to have settled on 10 teams just so they wouldn't have to play a championship game. In other words, they are afraid to play the extra game due to what may happen. However, I also agree that they were really close to having not just one team but two in the playoff. If two of the other teams had lost, they would probably have gotten two teams in the final four. It is a gamble for them, but it may pay off for them some years. This year it didn't.

GrayTide said:

Yes it would. For instance in the SEC you drop Vandy, Kentucky,TAMU and Missouri. Move auburn to the East. You have two 5 teams division, everybody plays everybody (9 conference games) and no conference championship game. Winner to the field of eight. Every conference is set up that way.

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Well, FWIW, I hate it! Sounds like basketball mixed with dog poo ... on steroids ... and I don't like basketball.

Seriously, I don't see the major conferences, certainly not the SEC ceding that much influence to a central power. If we do, I may find a new fall pastime.

Redwood Forrest said:

There will be an eight team playoff before four 16 team conferences.

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Yup. And probably before the 12 year contract is up.

B1GTide said:

If I were the commissioner of one of the other Power 5 conferences, I would demand that the Big 12 no longer be granted the extra bye week so they can play a game during championship weekend. It doubles up on the inequity. Not only do their teams have one less game than the other conferences' champions, but they get an extra week's rest along the way. Look at how Baylor used their bye weeks this year to see how it helped them - they played no more than 4 games in a row before getting a chance to rest and heal.

If they want to play a game that weekend, they should be forced to start their season a week later - no extra bye.

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I fully agree, and mentioned that very thing to my wife recently. They get an unfair advantage with that extra bye.

CoastGhost said:

Well, FWIW, I hate it! Sounds like basketball mixed with dog poo ... on steroids ... and I don't like basketball.

Seriously, I don't see the major conferences, certainly not the SEC ceding that much influence to a central power. If we do, I may find a new fall pastime.

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I'm not too far from that now due to what football has become. Needless to say, I'm not a fan of every rule benefiting the offense, every hard hit getting a flag, teams being allowed to break rules just because they go fast, and 60-55 scores. The talk of paying student-athletes because of how tough they have it makes my blood boil and would certainly be a final straw. I hope they figure out that if they protect the game, the money will be there. It would definitely change what my fall Saturday's have been for the last 30+ years, but I'm sure I can find something to occupy my time if it comes to that.

GrayTide said:

Yes it would. For instance in the SEC you drop Vandy, Kentucky,TAMU and Missouri. Move auburn to the East. You have two 5 teams division, everybody plays everybody (9 conference games) and no conference championship game. Winner to the field of eight. Every conference is set up that way.

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I really like the 8 "groupings" of 10 teams that all play each other and the winner goes to the playoffs. I'd do it without divisions and make 1 and 2 in each group play a championship game. I shy away from calling it conferences, because I think it maybe needs some tweaking each year. Obviously, this means blowing the whole thing up. For football at least, no more SEC, ACC, Big 10, etc.

There are lots of different good ideas, but the more and more I think about it, we need to take the "eye test" out of the equation. It's great for us because we generally get the benefit of the doubt because we are Alabama, but I understand why other fans are fed up with the idea.

I am for anything that guarantees undefeated teams get a shot at the title. I am not for colleges hiring PR firms in the hopes they get a shot. The sort of campaigning is going to happen every year until we make it a definitive, on the field criteria to get in.