All I know is when it comes to X's and O's Bama has a lot more than OSU. Depth is decidedly in Bama's favor as well.
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You may think the level of competition a team has faced is not relevant to how they will do when facing a team with equal or better talent...I disagree. Our guys have been through the fire, playing high grade talent teams all season.Rivals? Really?
I go by the 247 Composite as it's a blend and as such would seem to be the most accurate.
Top 5 in the last 4 years. Alabama and Ohio State. Not top 10 and not a couple of years in the top 5. Every single year.
Again, I don't care about the rest of the B1G or the SEC. They aren't relevant to the discussion.
FACT: None of them are playing against Ohio State or Alabama on 1/1/15.
Average ranking on 247:Rivals? Really?
I go by the 247 Composite as it's a blend and as such would seem to be the most accurate.
Top 5 in the last 4 years. Alabama and Ohio State. Not top 10 and not a couple of years in the top 5. Every single year.
Is that because the SEC dominates the B1G in that regard? You can dismiss it all you want, but it matters. While Ohio State is playing teams not ranked in the top 25 recruiting, Alabama does it week-in and week-out. Do you not see the importance of that? Or do you just not want to see it?Again, I don't care about the rest of the B1G or the SEC. They aren't relevant to the discussion.
FACT: None of them are playing against Ohio State or Alabama on 1/1/15.
You may think the level of competition a team has faced is not relevant to how they will do when facing a team with equal or better talent...I disagree. Our guys have been through the fire, playing high grade talent teams all season.
Urby has certainly done well recruiting...but when a team has to play lesser competition all season long it does not help them as much in dealing with being in a tough game.
It's not a statstical thing so it's not as easy to measure but you are exactly right. It's whistling past the graveyard to act like it doesn't matter what the level of competition two teams who are about to face one another have played. But "iron sharpens iron" and it's decidedly in our advantage!!!You may think the level of competition a team has faced is not relevant to how they will do when facing a team with equal or better talent...I disagree. Our guys have been through the fire, playing high grade talent teams all season.
Urby has certainly done well recruiting...but when a team has to play lesser competition all season long it does not help them as much in dealing with being in a tough game.
....and of course St. Nick or any other legendary coach has never had a game wherein his team didn't perform up to their expectations? Is that what you're saying? C'mon man.....That could very well be true. However in 2009 when he had 21/22 starters back at Florida, Alabama beat them down in the SECCG. Not a good quality for a first ballet HOF coach.
I'm not sure that anyone in the country is openly being realistic about the QB situation for you guys. If you can't have at least enough success passing to keep our defense honest then tOSU is toast. Crisply burnt, stink up the house toast. To think that your 3rd QB will have the success vs us that he did vs Wisky is, IMHO, just not being honest about the situation with yourself. You know your not going to want him running or even holding the ball because if he goes down it's likely over right then and there. So you come into the game being forced to run a somewhat predictable offense comprised mostly of runs and quick passes in the short-to-medium range with a few deep balls in select spots. I'm not saying that our D-Line will blow you off the ball but we both know that the formula for success does not include 20 7-step drop pass plays.That would be a problem......not sure who would play in that situation and Urby is keeping very quiet. We do have a Fr available but we'd prefer not to burn his RS but I'm certain he's been preparing in anticipation and our other option is one of our H-backs/WR, Jalin Marshall. Great athlete, significant threat with the ball in his hands. He'll start at H-Back/WR but will take snaps out of the Wildcat on occasion. He was a QB in high school, he can throw it but was a run first guy. You'll see him with the ball in his hands for certain....I hope it is not as QB
I don't agree that UM being favored over tOSU is humor. IMHO, blowing UM off is a little bit of homerism on your own part. UM has a very good defense of their own and skill players to boot. UM would actually match up with very well, especially considering their D-Line and your current QB situation. Either team could be favored by 1-2 points on a neutral field and I don't think anyone would be shocked.Lol....Ole Miss??? That is some serious SEC homerism there my friend. The average recruiting class ranking of Ole Miss for the last 4 years is #21, with only one in the top 10. I think the only people that believe that are found on this site or others like it in the south. It does make for good humor tho.....
It's all debate until the teams take the field and it's the debate that, as fans, eases our pregame anxieties. You've handled yourself well under fire, it seems, and I commend you for it. Merry Christmas to the Buckeye Nation and their families. Roll Tide.We can debate that forever and it just doesn't matter now does it? It's a one game season now......that game is Jan 1 in New Orleans. Only two teams on the field....
Happy Holidays to all you guys.....
I was just yanking your chain. Meyer is head and shoulders above any other current B1G coach. I'd rather Alabama play Ohio State than TCU or Baylor.....and of course St. Nick or any other legendary coach has never had a game wherein his team didn't perform up to their expectations? Is that what you're saying? C'mon man.....
I get you guys have some history with Urby - which is fine - and we all have massive built in biases, but to somehow effort to diminish his record or fantasize that somehow he isn't an outstanding football coach and among the game's elite is just silly......there is no other coach in the game that I'd rather have on the sideline in New Orleans
You're going back 5 years which includes the Fickell year for Ohio State. I'm looking at recruiting since Urban Meyer took over. We aren't comparing the same period but that's ok.Average ranking on 247:
Alabama - 1.8
Florida - 5.8
Ohio State - 6.6
LSU - 7.6
Auburn - 8.2
Georgia - 9
Tennessee - 14.8
In the last five years, Ohio State is behind Florida in recruiting and one spot ahead of LSU.
Is that because the SEC dominates the B1G in that regard? You can dismiss it all you want, but it matters. While Ohio State is playing teams not ranked in the top 25 recruiting, Alabama does it week-in and week-out. Do you not see the importance of that? Or do you just not want to see it?
I'm going to guess you guys do care since you won't shut up about SEC teams playing OOC games in November.
Why wouldn't you go back five years? There are fifth year seniors on nearly every team in America.You're going back 5 years which includes the Fickell year for Ohio State. I'm looking at recruiting since Urban Meyer took over. We aren't comparing the same period but that's ok.
I don't really care who SEC teams schedule OOC nor do I complain about it. As to the B1G, I'm an Ohio State fan. As we like to say about tsun I don't give a d*mn about them.
Thank you my friend, your points are well made.I'm not sure that anyone in the country is openly being realistic about the QB situation for you guys. If you can't have at least enough success passing to keep our defense honest then tOSU is toast. Crisply burnt, stink up the house toast. To think that your 3rd QB will have the success vs us that he did vs Wisky is, IMHO, just not being honest about the situation with yourself. You know your not going to want him running or even holding the ball because if he goes down it's likely over right then and there. So you come into the game being forced to run a somewhat predictable offense comprised mostly of runs and quick passes in the short-to-medium range with a few deep balls in select spots. I'm not saying that our D-Line will blow you off the ball but we both know that the formula for success does not include 20 7-step drop pass plays.
Meanwhile....you have to score. Likely around 40 points. Your strength is your D-Line but I assure you that we will negate it early with some HUNH zone/reads and WR screens. We'll suck you in to the LOS, spread you wide laterally, and then beat you deep. I know that the tSOU D-Line has been dominant but it has been dominant vs far less dynamic offenses than what you will see from us. I've read several writers (notably ESPN) claiming that this game will come down to the trenches. I think that's 1/2 right. I think you must win vs our D-Line to move the ball at all but I think that for our offense it will be more about our skill players vs your back 7.
I don't agree that UM being favored over tOSU is humor. IMHO, blowing UM off is a little bit of homerism on your own part. UM has a very good defense of their own and skill players to boot. UM would actually match up with very well, especially considering their D-Line and your current QB situation. Either team could be favored by 1-2 points on a neutral field and I don't think anyone would be shocked.
It's all debate until the teams take the field and it's the debate that, as fans, eases our pregame anxieties. You've handled yourself well under fire, it seems, and I commend you for it. Merry Christmas to the Buckeye Nation and their families. Roll Tide.
I get it....true for us as well, there is nobody else we'd rather play than BamaI was just yanking your chain. Meyer is head and shoulders above any other current B1G coach. I'd rather Alabama play Ohio State than TCU or Baylor.
Florida, Ole Miss, Auburn, and LSU. Florida is probably the worst of the group too. Compared to OSU, you would probably just be splitting hairs by saying one is more talented that the other.Two teams in the country have been in the top 5 in recruiting for the last 4 seasons (including this year). Alabama and Ohio State. So what teams that haven't recruited at the level of these two teams over this period of time have comparable talent to Ohio State? You're clouding facts with SECSECSEC mentality IMO.
Fair enough. It's probably because of the break from the Tressel era to the Meyer era that I did it that way.Why wouldn't you go back five years? There are fifth year seniors on nearly every team in America.
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Totally agree with you. I don't think the Buckeyes were a year away. That's due to the B1G though. I think we are all anxious to see this game.Fair enough. It's probably because of the break from the Tressel era to the Meyer era that I did it that way.
Honestly, I see Alabama having a huge advantage in this game due to depth on the D Line (we lost most of our depth before the season started) and the quarterback issue. Most Buckeye fans that I know think that Ohio State is a year ahead of schedule right now. 2015 is supposed to be the year and I think the preseason rankings next year will reflect this. We're playing with house money right now and since Alabama is the platinum standard in college football we get to see exactly where we stand. With 22 freshmen and sophomores in the two deep the future is very bright.
Bama has one of the youngest teams in the country also. I don't have the link handy but I think we are in the top 10 in the country as far as having freshman/sophomore in our two deep..Fair enough. It's probably because of the break from the Tressel era to the Meyer era that I did it that way.
Honestly, I see Alabama having a huge advantage in this game due to depth on the D Line (we lost most of our depth before the season started) and the quarterback issue. Most Buckeye fans that I know think that Ohio State is a year ahead of schedule right now. 2015 is supposed to be the year and I think the preseason rankings next year will reflect this. We're playing with house money right now and since Alabama is the platinum standard in college football we get to see exactly where we stand. With 22 freshmen and sophomores in the two deep the future is very bright.
Phil Steele has Bama as the 107th most experienced team:Bama has one of the youngest teams in the country also. I don't have the link handy but I think we are in the top 10 in the country as far as having freshman/sophomore in our two deep..
Two teams in the country have been in the top 5 in recruiting for the last 4 seasons (including this year). Alabama and Ohio State. So what teams that haven't recruited at the level of these two teams over this period of time have comparable talent to Ohio State? You're clouding facts with SECSECSEC mentality IMO.