What I'm saying is two planes have not only crashed but they've come up with nothing. Not a trace of anything. I know the definition but things seems rather strange.
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I'm still skeptical about Malaysian MH 370 because it has been such a long time and no wreckage, flotsom, etc. has been found anywhere. I'm fairly confident though that this will not be the case with this airliner. It's flight plan seems fairly well established so we should hear something within a couple of days, if not hours.
I guess I'm thinking as if this was the US. With today's technology planes should not vanish without explanation.
Maybe UFOs...
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Ugh, that case is depressing.
The sum it up: the pilots didn't communicate with each other. One of the pilots was pulling up for several minutes while the plane lost altitude. So the nose was up but they were losing altitude. It's an easy fix - just drop the nose for a bit and regain speed and then altitude. Unfortunately, the other pilots didn't know the guy was pulling up until they were about to hit the water. The black box recorded it all and there's a good article detailing everything. Very disheartening.
As usual - this one will probably be pilot error and everyone will have died pretty much instantly.
First heard this on BBC radio tonight:
http://tamutimes.tamu.edu/2013/07/10/higher-storm-clouds-produce-stronger-thunderstorms/#.VKD0dl4AMQ: How high can thunderstorm clouds be?A: It’s common for many cloud tops in a thunderstorm to be higher than 55,000 feet above sea level, says Brent McRoberts of Texas A&M University. Clouds over that range belong in a special category. “That may be as high as they get over the U.S., but in other parts of the world, thunderstorm clouds can be even higher,” he says. “In 1990 in the Coral Sea off eastern Australia, some nearby weather balloons measured a thunderstorm cloud to be at least 63,000 feet high. And in the northern Australia and Indonesia area, sometimes called the ‘maritime or oceanic continent,’ some of the highest clouds known have been reported, several measuring from 65,000 to 72,000 feet by astronauts in the space shuttle. It can happen, but it’s rare to see thunderstorms reach more than 65,000 feet.”
Q: Does the height of a thunderstorm cloud affect how strong it is?Storm clouds can reach over 70,000 feet. Photo: shutterstock
A: Yes, that is usually the case, McRoberts adds. Storm clouds that exceed 50,000 feet are almost always stronger than ones that are at just 15,000 feet. “The higher the cloud, the more energy and motion inside the cloud, and that’s why these produce such strong winds, hail and rain,” he says. “This motion inside the thunderstorm is called an updraft. Water and ice particles within the thunderstorm rise and fall inside the storm until they become too heavy to be supported, which at that time they fall out of the storm as hail. Usually, the higher the thunderstorm, the better the chances are of it producing large hail. When you see a big thundercloud in the sky with a bright white top and the bottom of it is very dark, it is usually producing a powerful storm. When clouds reach 50,000 feet or higher, they even affect airplanes. The normal cruising range for passenger jets is in the 30,000 to 40,000-foot range. Pilots try to fly around such large storms, and this sometimes means they have to take detours of 100 to 200 miles or more.”
This just doesn't add up though. Air France 447 was lost halfway across the Atlantic Ocean on June 1st. A day later, on June 2nd search and rescue crews had already spotted wreckage and knew where the flight had gone down.
It just doesn't make sense that in an area a fraction of the size of the Atlantic Ocean, there'd be this much difficulty finding debris. And now it's happening for a second time? This is looking like more than a coincidence...
I'm not quite in tinfoil hat mode yet. I'm currently in the "these guys are really terrible at search and rescue," camp. But give it a few days and my tune will change.
This is a very different scenario from the Malaysian plane earlier this year. The search should cover a much smaller area, and even with a poor search at sea some wreckage should wash ashore within days. The Malaysian jet was guesswork from the beginning, and covered a huge sparsely populated body of water. We may yet have some wreckage wash up somewhere some day from that one, but we'll probably never find the actual crash site.
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They lost air speed indication. Then they pulled up until the plane stalled. Really stupid.
Well where it was "supposed" to have gone down (Java Sea?) is a much smaller area than where they thought the Malaysian Airlines plane went down. So, yeah, they don't find anything by week's end, it would be very odd. Unless, of course, those doing the searching couldn't find their rears with both hands and a map. I that case, I think there might be some people in Missouri who could help...
I remember Sullenberger talking about how modern airliners no longer have Angle-of-Attack indicators. Would have been a definite help in that scenario.
I think we are just used to plane crashes that happen over land and are populated and naturally those crashes are reported pretty quickly but in this one it's over water and thus not populated so there's going to be a period of time needed to execute a proper search. I agree we should know something very soon, given the relatively smaller search area vs. the lost Malaysia flight.
I thought we'd have heard something by now though. Last night I heard a news interview with a specialist on airline recovery say they have ships now which can each man up to 10 underwater underwater drones that can fan out and look for underwater wreckage.
I feel bad for the families having to wait like this. But at least the airline is stepping up and trying to comfort them as much as possible.
I thought we'd have heard something by now though. Last night I heard a news interview with a specialist on airline recovery say they have ships now which can each man up to 10 underwater underwater drones that can fan out and look for underwater wreckage.
I feel bad for the families having to wait like this. But at least the airline is stepping up and trying to comfort them as much as possible.
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