What I'm saying is two planes have not only crashed but they've come up with nothing. Not a trace of anything. I know the definition but things seems rather strange.Is that not the definition of 'lost'?
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What I'm saying is two planes have not only crashed but they've come up with nothing. Not a trace of anything. I know the definition but things seems rather strange.Is that not the definition of 'lost'?
There's not been a lot of time spent on trying to find this one, yet.What I'm saying is two planes have not only crashed but they've come up with nothing. Not a trace of anything. I know the definition but things seems rather strange.
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Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.There's not been a lot of time spent on trying to find this one, yet.
I'm still skeptical about Malaysian MH 370 because it has been such a long time and no wreckage, flotsom, etc. has been found anywhere. I'm fairly confident though that this will not be the case with this airliner. It's flight plan seems fairly well established so we should hear something within a couple of days, if not hours.Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.
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I guess I'm thinking as if this was the US. With today's technology planes should not vanish without explanation.I'm still skeptical about Malaysian MH 370 because it has been such a long time and no wreckage, flotsom, etc. has been found anywhere. I'm fairly confident though that this will not be the case with this airliner. It's flight plan seems fairly well established so we should hear something within a couple of days, if not hours.
Hardly..I guess I'm thinking as if this was the US. With today's technology planes should not vanish without explanation.
Maybe UFOs...
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AirAsia flight QZ8501 bound for Singapore from Surabaya, Indonesia
Ugh, that case is depressing.Some similarities with Air France 447
http://tamutimes.tamu.edu/2013/07/10/higher-storm-clouds-produce-stronger-thunderstorms/#.VKD0dl4AMQ: How high can thunderstorm clouds be?A: It’s common for many cloud tops in a thunderstorm to be higher than 55,000 feet above sea level, says Brent McRoberts of Texas A&M University. Clouds over that range belong in a special category. “That may be as high as they get over the U.S., but in other parts of the world, thunderstorm clouds can be even higher,” he says. “In 1990 in the Coral Sea off eastern Australia, some nearby weather balloons measured a thunderstorm cloud to be at least 63,000 feet high. And in the northern Australia and Indonesia area, sometimes called the ‘maritime or oceanic continent,’ some of the highest clouds known have been reported, several measuring from 65,000 to 72,000 feet by astronauts in the space shuttle. It can happen, but it’s rare to see thunderstorms reach more than 65,000 feet.”
Q: Does the height of a thunderstorm cloud affect how strong it is?
A: Yes, that is usually the case, McRoberts adds. Storm clouds that exceed 50,000 feet are almost always stronger than ones that are at just 15,000 feet. “The higher the cloud, the more energy and motion inside the cloud, and that’s why these produce such strong winds, hail and rain,” he says. “This motion inside the thunderstorm is called an updraft. Water and ice particles within the thunderstorm rise and fall inside the storm until they become too heavy to be supported, which at that time they fall out of the storm as hail. Usually, the higher the thunderstorm, the better the chances are of it producing large hail. When you see a big thundercloud in the sky with a bright white top and the bottom of it is very dark, it is usually producing a powerful storm. When clouds reach 50,000 feet or higher, they even affect airplanes. The normal cruising range for passenger jets is in the 30,000 to 40,000-foot range. Pilots try to fly around such large storms, and this sometimes means they have to take detours of 100 to 200 miles or more.”
This just doesn't add up though. Air France 447 was lost halfway across the Atlantic Ocean on June 1st. A day later, on June 2nd search and rescue crews had already spotted wreckage and knew where the flight had gone down.Apparently, the route was almost all over water.
If the plane went down it might be underwater by now.
Also, searches were called off when it became too dark - they will resume shortly at sun up.
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Agreed. Any other result would put us all in tin foil hats.This plane will be located in a week or less, baring horrible weather.
I'm not quite in tinfoil hat mode yet. I'm currently in the "these guys are really terrible at search and rescue," camp. But give it a few days and my tune will change.Agreed. Any other result would put us all in tin foil hats.
They lost air speed indication. Then they pulled up until the plane stalled. Really stupid.Ugh, that case is depressing.
The sum it up: the pilots didn't communicate with each other. One of the pilots was pulling up for several minutes while the plane lost altitude. So the nose was up but they were losing altitude. It's an easy fix - just drop the nose for a bit and regain speed and then altitude. Unfortunately, the other pilots didn't know the guy was pulling up until they were about to hit the water. The black box recorded it all and there's a good article detailing everything. Very disheartening.
As usual - this one will probably be pilot error and everyone will have died pretty much instantly.
Not that much help is needed to bring out the Reynolds WrapAgreed. Any other result would put us all in tin foil hats.
I remember Sullenberger talking about how modern airliners no longer have Angle-of-Attack indicators. Would have been a definite help in that scenario.They lost air speed indication. Then they pulled up until the plane stalled. Really stupid.
A bobblehead Jesus on the dash would have been some helpI remember Sullenberger talking about how modern airliners no longer have Angle-of-Attack indicators. Would have been a definite help in that scenario.