Will he go back and pay the student loan debt of those who have already gone through 2-year colleges?
President Obama wants community college to be free
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Georgia has the HOPE scholarship. Any Georgia high school graduate with a 3.0 GPA was given a scholarship to any University in the Georgia system. Teachers started giving many kids grades so they could get the scholarship. Because so many kids started overflowing the system they raised the GPA requirements.
On top of that, kids were staying in college as long as possible to get more HOPE money. Students would not graduate because they wanted to keep getting the handouts. I think the amount of time one can draw HOPE for was changed as well because of this abuse.
I agree that a lot of college students would be much better suited for the community college/trade school route. But, this is not a role for Big Brother ...... The federal government needs to stop putting its heavy thumb on the supply/demand scales. The government has created scores of disciplines that shouldn't exist, or, at best, could be legitimately covered in two years' worth of college courses. Tuition inflation, grade inflation, and degree devaluation are natural results of the "everyone needs to be in college and let's guarantee the loans to make it happen" policy. Lots of wasted time and money is a high price to pay for (another) misguided progressive idea.
Tennessee also has a dental program called TennDent that offers free dental care for children that qualify who are under 21. The problem is not the children, it's the parents, the insurance company that manages payment, and dentists who abuse the system.
Free always looks good on paper. In the real world, not so much because there is always a price.
Free always looks good on paper. In the real world, not so much because there is always a price.
Well, when you've added $7,400,000,000,000 in debt, what's another $34,000,000,000?
Seriously. If it was coupled with reducing and eventually eliminating welfare I would be all in. Provide the folks who have been long-standing members of the welfare society a path to self-sufficiency. But this isn't what it's about unfortunately.
Yeah I know. This was talk of expanding HOPE to include 2yr programs (which i think is a good thing.)
What's being missed here, and apparently by virtually everyone, is that this has nothing to do with educating our youth. I repeat, Nothing.
It has everything to do with payback. Obama is just paying back those in Congress who have supported him and his policies. Even though Obama himself will not be on the ballot, his initiatives most definitely are. And this is just one more instance of those democrats who will be running for reelection doing so on Obama's coattails. During their campaigns, they can honestly say "I supported that, and still do" without attaching themselves to Obama himself.
Iow, it's just another smoke screen to prop up Obama during his final two years in office. Even though he may be a lame duck, he still has to have support from his party to pass his agenda. This is payment for their support.
It has everything to do with payback. Obama is just paying back those in Congress who have supported him and his policies. Even though Obama himself will not be on the ballot, his initiatives most definitely are. And this is just one more instance of those democrats who will be running for reelection doing so on Obama's coattails. During their campaigns, they can honestly say "I supported that, and still do" without attaching themselves to Obama himself.
Iow, it's just another smoke screen to prop up Obama during his final two years in office. Even though he may be a lame duck, he still has to have support from his party to pass his agenda. This is payment for their support.
I could get behind a plan that says, "Your lifetime of free handouts is over. In exchange here's training for a trade that will allow you to take care of yourself." But, instead we get more "government as Santa Claus" policy.
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I've never given this issue much thought and maybe playing devils advocate a bit but why is there an arbitrary demarcation after 12 years? Why 12 instead of 14, or more, and where should it end?
I don't have any kids...can I get the share that they would have gotten just deposited directly to my bank?
Regardless of how anyone feels about this idea, it is a moot point since there is no way, other than borrowing even more, to pay for this.
I agree with most of the comments here, nothing is free.
I have several questions as to how this will affect 4 year institutions:
Will this encourage students to take the free ride for the first two years and reduce enrollment in 4 year schools? As a result, will this slow or decrease the rise in 4 year tuition?
Will the number of federal loans for college decrease?
Does Congress have to pass a bill approving this move or will The King just decree it be done?
I have several questions as to how this will affect 4 year institutions:
Will this encourage students to take the free ride for the first two years and reduce enrollment in 4 year schools? As a result, will this slow or decrease the rise in 4 year tuition?
Will the number of federal loans for college decrease?
Does Congress have to pass a bill approving this move or will The King just decree it be done?
Apparently, neither. All it seems is necessary is for him to speak it, and the others bow down before him. "So it shall be written, so it shall be done."
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