President Obama wants community college to be free
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This could actually make a lot of sense, maybe if they push it back into the high school system it would cut drop outs. We really need to try to use education as a way to make people successful instead of making them able to pass a test......
Hadn't thought of it that way but maybe Orwell was on to something. He should have called it 2014, though.
As it's often tossed out - India and China have more honor students then we have students. We're not going to out-manufacture either of those countries long-term and if we can't keep up intellectually, we're dooming our children and grandchildren to playing catchup. Assuming they can.
Paying for everyone's Community College is not going to cut the Drop-out rate. You have toooooo many young people that are forced to be where they don't want to be unless they are going to be there to socialize. Many are just toooooo immature to make good decisions for their educational and financial future.
Maybe we need to stop using just taxes to fund High School and require the people who attend to pay for each course they take. Then teaching would not be such a bad job. Too many students raise hades and cause confusion in classes keeping teachers from teaching. If some students are going to exhibit inappropriate behaviors, maybe they should pay more for tuition. If you behave and attempt to excel in each class, then your tuition should be lower.
I totally agree with your last statement that I placed in bold crimson.
There just has to be something that will motivate students to want to be the best they can be. No pass, No play may have helped some, but content was probably watered down to accommodate those less intellectually challenged.
Now, I admit there should be only OUTSTANDING TEACHERS teaching and motivating students with RELEVANT Content to be the very best they can be in every class in the USA. I have seen some teachers and read about many others that should NOT be in the profession of educating our youth to think critically and creatively. Many teachers will bore you to tears! Many others are outstanding and will motivate you to do your very best. I've had both!
A Principal who is effective should be able to go into a classroom and inform a teacher that today is your last day to bore our kids to death. This officer will assist you in packing your saddle bags so that you can ride into the sunset! Instead, the effective Principal is required to place horrendous teachers on a Professional Growth Plan and take up to a couple of years to PROCESS (not Coach Saban's process) an ineffective teacher out of the educational district, system, etc. Usually, some ineffective Principals will just give a teacher a good recommendation to go to another school so they can get rid of them. So, that teacher moves on and is just as ineffective as at the previous location: adversely affecting the youth of our country.
What is the definition of a RESPONSIBLE student?
It's good for them to work part-time or full-time and pay for their education. That makes their educational endeavor much more meaningful. They probably are more motivated to do their best in class, knowing that this will help them get a better job than they already have or will help them advance to a higher paying job at what they already do.
IMO, and just making a point here...
What made the US a superpower was the ability to 'out-muscle' the rest of the world, specifically in manufacturing. From the 1940's (thanks, WW2) through much of the 1990's, the US could build things better and cheaper than the rest of the world. But as industrialization grew in China and India, we find them where we were 60 years ago - lots of laborers happy to work for relatively low dough while in the US we (rightly so) have a lot of regulations in place the essentially add to the cost of manufacturing. We cannot out-manufacture China anymore, that ship has sailed. They can do it as good and cheaper than we can.
The ONLY thing we can rely on right now, despite the fact that India and China have more honor students then the US has students, is that we have more disposable income that either of them, per capita. This means that if you want your kids to be able to compete in a world that's no longer 1950, most white-collar jobs are competing globally - your kids and grandkids will be competing not against the kids in their high school, but those in EVERY high school all over the world. Things change.
So honestly, if you care about the US and the future we're leaving for our kids and grandkids, we need to think along the lines of what we need to do to empower the next few generations to compete, even dominate on the world stage. American exceptionalism was borne from intellectual drive and muscle. We don't have the muscle anymore, so we need to make the best of the intellectual drive.
Don't lost the forest for the trees. Too much focus on ideals while ignoring reality will cause failure, every time...
What made the US a superpower was the ability to 'out-muscle' the rest of the world, specifically in manufacturing. From the 1940's (thanks, WW2) through much of the 1990's, the US could build things better and cheaper than the rest of the world. But as industrialization grew in China and India, we find them where we were 60 years ago - lots of laborers happy to work for relatively low dough while in the US we (rightly so) have a lot of regulations in place the essentially add to the cost of manufacturing. We cannot out-manufacture China anymore, that ship has sailed. They can do it as good and cheaper than we can.
The ONLY thing we can rely on right now, despite the fact that India and China have more honor students then the US has students, is that we have more disposable income that either of them, per capita. This means that if you want your kids to be able to compete in a world that's no longer 1950, most white-collar jobs are competing globally - your kids and grandkids will be competing not against the kids in their high school, but those in EVERY high school all over the world. Things change.
So honestly, if you care about the US and the future we're leaving for our kids and grandkids, we need to think along the lines of what we need to do to empower the next few generations to compete, even dominate on the world stage. American exceptionalism was borne from intellectual drive and muscle. We don't have the muscle anymore, so we need to make the best of the intellectual drive.
Don't lost the forest for the trees. Too much focus on ideals while ignoring reality will cause failure, every time...
Two years of junior college won't make American students substantially more competitive -- "garbage in, garbage out " as the saying goes. If there is an issue with our education system, it is one of expectations. We are more concerned with dumbing down expectations so more people can "succeed".
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