OR, Landon was not near as good in pass coverage as Ha Ha was. I love Landon, but he was only a starter this year (and last year) because Ha Ha and Vinny left early.
Question: Has Coach Saban reached out to Bill Belichick about the HUNH?
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I don't know if Coach Saban has contacted Belichick about the HUNH but it wouldn't surprise me if he did. I think just last year he met with Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos OC to discuss the HUNH. One thing I like about Coach Saban is that even though he has had tremendous success his ego has never become so huge that he feels he knows it all. He is still willing to consult others to learn and get better.
In response to the pass coverage issues, we had a JUCO guy as our best CB last year and our 3 most experienced CB's this year are two converted WR and an Athlete, right? Maybe the issue is less about coaching and more about recruiting or recruits that didn't pan out.
Would not really matter, even if he had. We didn't have any real issue with the HUNH this past year, despite a lot of talk about it.
Now that whole forward pass thing, well, hope the liquor cabinet is good and stocked...
Now that whole forward pass thing, well, hope the liquor cabinet is good and stocked...
The biggest offenders I saw was a combination of coverages from Eddie and G Smith/M Smith/Washington. When Cyrus and Landon got beat on long balls they always seemed to be right there where as the others were beat by a few yards. Also should be noted I'm sure there some plays where Landon appeared to get beat when in fact he was covering a busted coverage.
This is my thoughts as well. When you look at the recruiting from 2011-2013 other than safety we didn't have any blue chip DB recruits as we had in the years prior.
We went through a weird phase there, after hitting home runs on Jackson, Kirkpatrick, and Milliner, where we signed basically nothing but athletes and long-term developmental projects at CB, plus a lot of so-called "hybrid" S/CB types that weren't athletic enough to really match up with opposing WRs in space, and combined that has cost us very badly the past two years (and even a decent bit in 2012, too). I have no idea why we went that route all of a sudden, but it created some serious personnel holes.
And then, honestly, on the back end, when numbers on true corners were so low, we signed a couple of guys that honestly I'm not sure should (or otherwise would) have even gotten scholarships, but we were so desperate to add warm bodies that it worked out that way out of necessity alone.
HUNH will always present a different set of problems to deal
with, but our inability to get off field against good teams on
third and longs was a killer. Hopefully we have a better group
of coverage corners and linebackers will be a little quicker to
drop into coverage next year.... There was a big difference
without a backer like Mosley making the window to throw to
much narrower.
This article with question about third down directed to
Belichick and his answer show what everybody knows, you
have got to get off the field on defense.
Q: It seemed like third down defense was a big part of the game last night. The Chargers started off with success but then had trouble. Did you guys change anything up defensively? How important was it to get off the field on third down going against a good third down offense in San Diego?
BB: Yeah, it’s really important to get off the field on third down. That’s always a big point of emphasis for us. Third downs are, on both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively, third downs are really kind of like turnovers in terms of the possession of the ball changing if a team can’t convert, whether it’s us or them. Those are huge plays in the game.
It was a killer for us in Sugar Bowl and got us beat. It wasn't a HUNH offense. Also the abandoning of running behind our true freshman left tackle was bewildering....:conf2:
with, but our inability to get off field against good teams on
third and longs was a killer. Hopefully we have a better group
of coverage corners and linebackers will be a little quicker to
drop into coverage next year.... There was a big difference
without a backer like Mosley making the window to throw to
much narrower.
This article with question about third down directed to
Belichick and his answer show what everybody knows, you
have got to get off the field on defense.
Q: It seemed like third down defense was a big part of the game last night. The Chargers started off with success but then had trouble. Did you guys change anything up defensively? How important was it to get off the field on third down going against a good third down offense in San Diego?
BB: Yeah, it’s really important to get off the field on third down. That’s always a big point of emphasis for us. Third downs are, on both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively, third downs are really kind of like turnovers in terms of the possession of the ball changing if a team can’t convert, whether it’s us or them. Those are huge plays in the game.
It was a killer for us in Sugar Bowl and got us beat. It wasn't a HUNH offense. Also the abandoning of running behind our true freshman left tackle was bewildering....:conf2:
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That has been a killer for us in most weeks against viable opponents. When we were absolutely forced to play pass defense, we just could not do it. When you reach a point where it's 3rd and 8+ against a guy like Nick Marshall and he starts routinely raining bombs on you like he's Dan Marino, you've got some serious, serious problems.
Truth of the matter is that it's really a shock than an opponent didn't force our hands more than they did. Hate to say it, but a true pass heavy team with some decent skill talent and design elements -- think someone like Baylor, for example -- could have probably just about made the scoreboard explode against us.
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Jackson was always a CB. Jones was told in recruiting his best position was going to be DB, but he wanted to try his hand at WR. Turns out Saban was right. Jackson just wasn't quite as good b/c of his knee. I expect he'll come along a lot this off season, plus we'll have Tony Brown with another year of learning. Sylve was an athlete though
Pretty much agree with this, would just add that as good as LC was, he wasn't great at playing the ball in the air like some past players (Johnson, Baron, Ha-Ha). His future is certainly as a versatile SS type, not as a deep, ball-hawking FS. Any one of the three just mentioned would have kept a lot of those balls from being complete.
We also have to add in the fact that we're seeing DBs and LBs have to adjust the way they have been taught for years to play due to the targeting rules. For as long as all these guys have been playing, a safety or LB could crush a receiver coming over the middle, but now they can't so they are having to play differently. That doesn't explain some of the busted coverages where dudes are wide open, but it's certainly opened up the middle of the field because receivers aren't as afraid of going into the middle box and getting crushed, so there's effectively more of the field that has to be covered or that's available to more players.
No, but he probably got this play from Belichick. This from Peter King:
On Nov. 8, on the first snap of overtime against LSU, Alabama lined up four offensive linemen in their usual spots but with a tackle, Cam Robinson, split out wide right, having declared himself to the referee an ineligible receiver before the snap, with a wide receiver to the right of him. A backup lineman, Brandon Greene, was in the left tackle slot, but he was actually an eligible receiver because Robinson, wide right, was not. At the snap of the ball, Robinson stepped back from the line and held his hands up for the ball, continuing the ruse. Greene lumbered up the left seam, and quarterback Blake Sims hit him with a pass. Gain of 24, to the LSU one-yard line.
On Saturday night, in the third quarter against Baltimore, New England lined up four offensive linemen in their usual spots but with a running back, Shane Vereen, split out wide right, having declared himself an ineligible receiver before the snap, with a wide receiver to the right of him. A backup tight end, Michael Hoomanawanui, was in the left tackle slot, but he was actually an eligible receiver because Vereen, wide right, was not. At the snap of the ball, Vereen stepped back from the line and held his hands out for the ball, continuing the ruse. Hoomanawanui lumbered up the left seam, and quarterback Tom Brady hit him with a pass. Gain of 14, to the Baltimore 10-yard line.
Exact same play.
On Nov. 8, on the first snap of overtime against LSU, Alabama lined up four offensive linemen in their usual spots but with a tackle, Cam Robinson, split out wide right, having declared himself to the referee an ineligible receiver before the snap, with a wide receiver to the right of him. A backup lineman, Brandon Greene, was in the left tackle slot, but he was actually an eligible receiver because Robinson, wide right, was not. At the snap of the ball, Robinson stepped back from the line and held his hands up for the ball, continuing the ruse. Greene lumbered up the left seam, and quarterback Blake Sims hit him with a pass. Gain of 24, to the LSU one-yard line.
On Saturday night, in the third quarter against Baltimore, New England lined up four offensive linemen in their usual spots but with a running back, Shane Vereen, split out wide right, having declared himself an ineligible receiver before the snap, with a wide receiver to the right of him. A backup tight end, Michael Hoomanawanui, was in the left tackle slot, but he was actually an eligible receiver because Vereen, wide right, was not. At the snap of the ball, Vereen stepped back from the line and held his hands out for the ball, continuing the ruse. Hoomanawanui lumbered up the left seam, and quarterback Tom Brady hit him with a pass. Gain of 14, to the Baltimore 10-yard line.
Exact same play.
How do you know Belichick didn't get this play from Kiffin?No, but he probably got this play from Belichick. This from Peter King:
On Nov. 8, on the first snap of overtime against LSU, Alabama lined up four offensive linemen in their usual spots but with a tackle, Cam Robinson, split out wide right, having declared himself to the referee an ineligible receiver before the snap, with a wide receiver to the right of him. A backup lineman, Brandon Greene, was in the left tackle slot, but he was actually an eligible receiver because Robinson, wide right, was not. At the snap of the ball, Robinson stepped back from the line and held his hands up for the ball, continuing the ruse. Greene lumbered up the left seam, and quarterback Blake Sims hit him with a pass. Gain of 24, to the LSU one-yard line.
On Saturday night, in the third quarter against Baltimore, New England lined up four offensive linemen in their usual spots but with a running back, Shane Vereen, split out wide right, having declared himself an ineligible receiver before the snap, with a wide receiver to the right of him. A backup tight end, Michael Hoomanawanui, was in the left tackle slot, but he was actually an eligible receiver because Vereen, wide right, was not. At the snap of the ball, Vereen stepped back from the line and held his hands out for the ball, continuing the ruse. Hoomanawanui lumbered up the left seam, and quarterback Tom Brady hit him with a pass. Gain of 14, to the Baltimore 10-yard line.
Exact same play.
I'm guessing the Pats got the play from us. Belichick or Brady probably saw the play on tv and either called Saban or just mimicked it from the screen.
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