Will the Oregon loss slow down the proliferation of HUNH offenses?

I doubt it. It still gives lesser teams a chance to win.

It depends on how the holding calls go for the power running team. Did OSU get a holding call?

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Not sure how penalties called on the opposing offense effect what the HUNH offense runs. I think the bigger question is finesse vs power.

it might slow down the posting of our resident Oregon poster.
for 8 months anyway

BamaBeast said:

Not sure how penalties called on the opposing offense effect what the HUNH offense runs. I think the bigger question is finesse vs power.

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Because it puts the defense back out there without much rest, or coaching if they get pushed back for holding. You pound the spread defense into submission with your running game early, controlling the clock, and then rush the pass when you get a lead.

So you run the HUNH with the hope that the opposing offense
will hold/get called for holds or penalize themselves? It's not substitution time, defensive play calling time....it's more about hoping the other offense screws up?

IDK, but maybe it'll bring back power running with an effective passing game combined with great defense. OSU tonight looked a lot like Bama circa 2009-2012.

Its a good question. Ohio State proved that you still win Football games in the trenches. Oregon and their HUNH ran a grand total of 15 plays in the second half against Ohio State. Meanwhile, Ohio State whipped them in the trenches.

I think this will make a lot of OC's and HC's around the country start second guessing the HUNH. Its a gimmick offense and when it looks good, its a sight to behold. However, when you run up against a team with elite talent on defense, its a bad offense in fast forward.

BamaBeast said:

So you run the HUNH with the hope that the opposing offense
will hold/get called for holds or penalize themselves? It's not substitution time, defensive play calling time....it's more about hoping the other offense screws up?

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You run the hurry up because they are making rules to benefit that style of offense.

Yes, as a team that runs the hurry up you want the other team's offense to be inept in any way possible so their defense is on the field more, getting more fatigued as the game progresses. If the opposite happens the team with the hurry up offense will only make their defense even more fatigued because they will be back on the field even quicker because of the tempo they run. In truth the hurry up gimmick relies on the defense not executing.

OU was missing its top two WRs and its top db, and still kind of made a game of it.

More to the point, the appeal of the HUNH is that it allows teams that can't stock five star talent across the board to be competitive--you get one or two top players and use them to create mismatches. The Barn made it to two championship games with HUNH, as did Oregon--why should one game change things?

PA Tide Fan said:

Oregon has had the premier HUNH offense for a number of years now and failed to win a national championship. This time they even had a Heisman QB and failed. Do you think this loss will slow down or maybe even reverse the HUNH trend in college football?

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No. Oregon and auburn will continue to run their offenses and occasionally land a big defensive recruit. I think if Oregon was ever going to change they would've done it by now. I mean they have gotten embarrassed by OSU in the 2010 rose bowl,auburn in 2011, and now presently OSU again.

Yup..I hope our coaching staff gets our offense back to the form that's won us NC's with a power running game, that controlled the LOS & time clock, cause it complimented our style of D & we have steadily moved away from that style of football when Coach Mac took the Colorado St job & we brought in Coach Nuss..I hope we have a team meeting & our team vows to bring back the style of football that's made us the best college football team in the history of the game..

We're a run the ball down defenses throats 1st type football program, that opens of the play action pass, as it chews the clock up & keeps our D rested, as it keeps the others teams offense, on the sideline watching our offense kill the clock running the ball..We can go back to that style of football & win NC's doing it..The Buckeye's proved it this year & FSU proved it last year..The HUNH offenses is what other fans likes to watch, but, Bama needs to regroup & go back to its football roots that we've strayed from the last couple of seasons & get back to playing Bama Football..If we do that & not win a NC next year..It won't bother me like it has this year knowing we wasn't playing Bama Football we know & love as Bama Fans..I hope so anyways..

But what are the chances that we go back to a power run game under Kiffin? Hes a very creative OC.....That has to be why Saban brought him in.......If Saban wanted to go back to the old way, ball control and cram it down your throat, you'd think he would have hired a different OC?

In short, I don't know if Kiffin has it in him to be a ground and pound OC.

I also wonder if we were just playing to our personnel strength this past season. We had Cooper and a solid pass catching bunch and a QB that was decent at slinging it. I heard many times throughout the season how the OL we had wasn't your typical smash you into the ground Bama OL. It was more of a finesse pass protect bunch?

Loam said:

But what are the chances that we go back to a power run game under Kiffin? Hes a very creative OC.....That has to be why Saban brought him in.......If Saban wanted to go back to the old way, ball control and cram it down your throat, you'd think he would have hired a different OC?

In short, I don't know if Kiffin has it in him to be a ground and pound OC.

I also wonder if we were just playing to our personnel strength this past season. We had Cooper and a solid pass catching bunch and a QB that was decent at slinging it. I heard many times throughout the season how the OL we had wasn't your typical smash you into the ground Bama OL. It was more of a finesse pass protect bunch?

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Highly doubtful

If the HCs know the game then it does not matter what kind of scheme you run. EXECUTION! TURNOVERS!

What happens when the HUNH and the Pro Set both execute?

I doubt it. Oregon has showed that the HUNH can help a team with little talent, go a long ways.

Redwood Forrest said:

What happens when the HUNH and the Pro Set both execute?

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Pro Sets wins. If the pro set is executing on all cylinders it also means that its running the ball very well too and eating clock up.

Loam said:

But what are the chances that we go back to a power run game under Kiffin? Hes a very creative OC.....That has to be why Saban brought him in.......If Saban wanted to go back to the old way, ball control and cram it down your throat, you'd think he would have hired a different OC?

In short, I don't know if Kiffin has it in him to be a ground and pound OC.

I also wonder if we were just playing to our personnel strength this past season. We had Cooper and a solid pass catching bunch and a QB that was decent at slinging it. I heard many times throughout the season how the OL we had wasn't your typical smash you into the ground Bama OL. It was more of a finesse pass protect bunch?

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Well to be fair we don't have backs like Elliot or the offensive line like we did in 2012 to pull off a true power run offense. Before we start blaming kiffin or leaning that way why don't we ask the question " will Kirby and saban ever figure out how to stop the spread and teach our DBS how to defend the pass"