Follow the money for changes to Big 12

Redwood Forrest · Jan 15, 2015

With 10 members, the Big 12 currently gives the largest distribution payouts to its members of any conference. Adding teams only makes the pie slices smaller, as the money pool wouldn't get bigger, but the number of hands reaching out for it would.

In a 10-team league, all teams play each other, meaning every Big 12 title game would be an inevitable rematch. The best team would likely have to beat the second-best team twice to win the conference championship.

That additional game might not bring enough revenue to make that risk seem worthwhile.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/01/where_will_college_football_he.html#incart_river

I wonder how they managed to pull down that much cash? With seven bowl team vs twelve for the SEC, they still managed to out earn us?

4Q Basket Case · Jan 15, 2015

Redwood Forrest said:
With 10 members, the Big 12 currently gives the largest distribution payouts to its members of any conference. Adding teams only makes the pie slices smaller, as the money pool wouldn't get bigger, but the number of hands reaching out for it would.

In a 10-team league, all teams play each other, meaning every Big 12 title game would be an inevitable rematch. The best team would likely have to beat the second-best team twice to win the conference championship.

That additional game might not bring enough revenue to make that risk seem worthwhile.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/01/where_will_college_football_he.html#incart_river

I wonder how they managed to pull down that much cash? With seven bowl team vs twelve for the SEC, they still managed to out earn us?

I wondered that, too. I've been reading financial statements, reading and writing commentary on them, and sniffing out tap-dance wording for longer than I'd like to admit.

This article has that sort of phrasing all over it.

You'd have to get the writer to define every word. But I promise, if you did, and applied those definitions to the SEC's numbers, you'd get to the root of the question.

Bottom line for the Big 12-2 is that as long as they kowtow to UTw and allow them to get the lion's share of the distributions, they'll never attract a credible addition.

It's why Nebraska, aTm, and Missouri left.

And for the life of me, I don't understand why Oklahoma doesn't give them the Bronx cheer and leave. True, they need the state of Texas for recruiting. But with their name and tradition, I'll never see where they need the University of Texas.

TIDE-HSV · Jan 15, 2015

4Q Basket Case said:
I wondered that, too. I've been reading financial statements, reading and writing commentary on them, and sniffing out tap-dance wording for longer than I'd like to admit.

This article has that sort of phrasing all over it.

You'd have to get the writer to define every word. But I promise, if you did, and applied those definitions to the SEC's numbers, you'd get to the root of the question.

Bottom line for the Big 12-2 is that as long as they kowtow to UTw and allow them to get the lion's share of the distributions, they'll never attract a credible addition.

It's why Nebraska, aTm, and Missouri left.

And for the life of me, I don't understand why Oklahoma doesn't give them the Bronx cheer and leave. True, they need the state of Texas for recruiting. But with their name and tradition, I'll never see where they need the University of Texas.

I'm afraid they may need the association even more, with A&M cutting into that TX recruiting base...

JessN · Jan 16, 2015

Redwood Forrest said:
With 10 members, the Big 12 currently gives the largest distribution payouts to its members of any conference. Adding teams only makes the pie slices smaller, as the money pool wouldn't get bigger, but the number of hands reaching out for it would.

In a 10-team league, all teams play each other, meaning every Big 12 title game would be an inevitable rematch. The best team would likely have to beat the second-best team twice to win the conference championship.

That additional game might not bring enough revenue to make that risk seem worthwhile.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/01/where_will_college_football_he.html#incart_river

I wonder how they managed to pull down that much cash? With seven bowl team vs twelve for the SEC, they still managed to out earn us?

My position on this is that I simply don't care. The rest of the Power 5 should require they go to at least 12 teams and a championship game, or tell them their teams won't be eligible for the playoff. It's sort of amazing that it's allowed now, to be honest. And if the other Power 5 conferences wanted to break away and form their own division, they'd bury the Big 12 eventually. The sport's power structure right now is changing, with the NCAA fading and the conferences becoming the bigger players. And as with any period of wholesale change, these are the times where some people will gain (or lose) much more than others. If the other four conferences don't rein in the Big 12 right now, it might not ever happen.

GrayTide · Jan 16, 2015

JessN said:
My position on this is that I simply don't care. The rest of the Power 5 should require they go to at least 12 teams and a championship game, or tell them their teams won't be eligible for the playoff. It's sort of amazing that it's allowed now, to be honest. And if the other Power 5 conferences wanted to break away and form their own division, they'd bury the Big 12 eventually. The sport's power structure right now is changing, with the NCAA fading and the conferences becoming the bigger players. And as with any period of wholesale change, these are the times where some people will gain (or lose) much more than others. If the other four conferences don't rein in the Big 12 right now, it might not ever happen.

I second this.

trenda · Jan 16, 2015

JessN said:
My position on this is that I simply don't care. The rest of the Power 5 should require they go to at least 12 teams and a championship game, or tell them their teams won't be eligible for the playoff. It's sort of amazing that it's allowed now, to be honest. And if the other Power 5 conferences wanted to break away and form their own division, they'd bury the Big 12 eventually. The sport's power structure right now is changing, with the NCAA fading and the conferences becoming the bigger players. And as with any period of wholesale change, these are the times where some people will gain (or lose) much more than others. If the other four conferences don't rein in the Big 12 right now, it might not ever happen.

Do you think some of this may have been at play with the playoff selection this year? It may be a reach to think the "selection committee" would do something like that; but then again . . .

Redwood Forrest · Jan 16, 2015

I can't believe the other Power 4 would agree to let B12 have a playoff with 10 teams and then get the 10 team split. That would give B12 a $$$ advantage.

KrAzY3 · Jan 16, 2015

I suspect the individual who wrote that article doesn't know what he's talking about. The Big 12 has unequal revenue sharing, and no network sharing, so how on earth can "the Big 12 currently gives the largest distribution payouts to its members of any conference"? I don't know, sounds like he made that up.

From what I understood, the last deal they negotiated paid the top teams in the Big 12 on par with the SEC (before the new SEC deal which pays out more!), and they cut Texas A&M in on that (the money seemed to be subsidized by the departure fees from the other schools). In other words, they had to stack unequal sharing on top of payments that won't keep rolling in, to temporarily match the SEC. There's a reason Texas A&M left.

So, to reiterate I don't think the guy who wrote the article has a clue what he's talking about.

Edit: Oh duh, he has to only be talking about the playoff money payout, which isn't that big a deal.

Redwood Forrest · Jan 16, 2015

KrAzY3 said:
I suspect the individual who wrote that article doesn't know what he's talking about. The Big 12 has unequal revenue sharing, and no network sharing, so how on earth can "the Big 12 currently gives the largest distribution payouts to its members of any conference"? I don't know, sounds like he made that up.

From what I understood, the last deal they negotiated paid the top teams in the Big 12 on par with the SEC (before the new SEC deal which pays out more!), and they cut Texas A&M in on that (the money seemed to be subsidized by the departure fees from the other schools). In other words, they had to stack unequal sharing on top of payments that won't keep rolling in, to temporarily match the SEC. There's a reason Texas A&M left.

So, to reiterate I don't think the guy who wrote the article has a clue what he's talking about.

Edit: Oh duh, he has to only be talking about the playoff money payout, which isn't that big a deal.

I wondered if he meant playoff money. We had 12 teams and they had 7 teams. 7 out-earned 12?

RTR91 · Jan 16, 2015

According to this, the Big 12 had a total of $58 million in bowl payout compared to the SEC's $87.5 million. Link

GrayTide · Jan 16, 2015

RTR91 said:
According to this, the Big 12 had a total of $58 million in bowl payout compared to the SEC's $87.5 million. Link

IMO conference teams not getting bowl bids should not receive a payout or at best a significantly reduced amount.

KrAzY3 · Jan 16, 2015

Redwood Forrest said:
I wondered if he meant playoff money. We had 12 teams and they had 7 teams. 7 out-earned 12?

It was a really poorly worded article from what I read. I followed his link and then it kind of made sense, because there is a flat payout which obviously is split more ways amongst the larger conferences. But, that's peanuts compared to what these conferences are actually making, and heck if they brought back a conference championship game that would make up for it...

JessN · Jan 16, 2015

trenda said:
Do you think some of this may have been at play with the playoff selection this year? It may be a reach to think the "selection committee" would do something like that; but then again . . .

When I heard the committee chair tell the Big 12, "If they don't pick their champion (the Big 12 was trying to argue co-champs in the hopes the committee would include both in the final four), then we'll do it for them," I knew there was a message of some kind being sent.

Redwood Forrest · Jan 18, 2015

RTR91 said:
According to this, the Big 12 had a total of $58 million in bowl payout compared to the SEC's $87.5 million. Link

Good Lord. The Sun Belt sent three teams to bowls and got paid as much as the MWC who sent 8 teams to bowls?

Power 5 get 50 million bowl base. The Group of Five get 12 million. Notre Dame gets a SECRET split. Wow.

Snuffy Smith · Jan 19, 2015

JessN said:
My position on this is that I simply don't care. The rest of the Power 5 should require they go to at least 12 teams and a championship game, or tell them their teams won't be eligible for the playoff. It's sort of amazing that it's allowed now, to be honest. And if the other Power 5 conferences wanted to break away and form their own division, they'd bury the Big 12 eventually. The sport's power structure right now is changing, with the NCAA fading and the conferences becoming the bigger players. And as with any period of wholesale change, these are the times where some people will gain (or lose) much more than others. If the other four conferences don't rein in the Big 12 right now, it might not ever happen.

100%

As long as we have a conference or a team (Notre Dame) eligible to qualify for the playoffs that are allowed to take advantage of playing a schedule with no conference championship game the playoff system is no better than the BCS or the polls. IMO there was really no reason to move away from the BCS unless you were going to institute a equitably structured system for qualifying with zero exceptions.

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