Paterno to get his 111 vacated wins restored

Gr8hope

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We will have to agree to disagree. They were misguided in their actions on behalf of the institution and should be punished. Not the local economy of Happy Valley or student athletes that had nothing to do with their actions. "Institutional Prejudice" is practiced everyday by people, yet I'm sure you will agree that "all" shouldn't be punished by the actions of a few.
Many lose money, status, and jobs on the whims of a few board members or CEOS who make mistakes or commit crimes. It is a harsh reality but criminal activity should not be excused to protect an institution or sports team.
 

Ldlane

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The last I'm going to say on the matter.

Should we abolish the military or Police Force (Public Entities the same as PSU) because members commit crimes and there are cover-ups? Certainly not! The overall Public interest and good of having those institutions outweighs the interests of the few. Those responsible should be taken care of in a court of law and the institution should be changed. However, you don't have to send your kids to PSU or have them join the military.
 

KrAzY3

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I really don't understand why they took wins away when it wasn't a violation that gave psu an unfair advantage.
Notice your use of the world unfair. It did give them an advantage to cover up for Sandusky raping children and that's exactly what they did. Someone else posted they don't know why Paterno didn't do something about it, that's the entire point, he didn't because it would have harmed his football team!

What Sandusky was doing came to light when Penn State was worried about football. They kept him on until after the season!!! They had a child rapist, coaching, and they were like ok we'll wait until the football season is over! That's what annoys me so much, people want to act like that didn't happen but it did, they employed someone that they had reason to believe was raping children through the season, then otherwise inexplicably dismissed him. They knew what was up... then once a coach actually witnessed him raping a child (the first known account), they still didn't do anything. Why? Once again, it would have been bad for their football team.

That's what this is all about, Penn State covered up for a child rapist, employed a child rapist, allowed a child rapist to continue, for the sake of their football program. Joe Paterno took no action against a known child rapist, for the sake of their football program. And, virtually everyone in control of said football program participated as an accessory to what Sandusky was doing, by covering up for his actions. This did create an advantage vs. dealing with this properly, and it did set a precedent. It told FSU they can cover up for Winston, it told any institution that letting a rapist go on raping is something that might be worth the risk (let's not mention the moral implications).

Even people here are defending the NCAA's actions with no doubt, the same justifications Penn State used. Why should an entire town pay because Sandusky was raping children? So, using justification used here, Penn State said an entire town shouldn't, and they covered it up, and instead children paid the price. Bravo
 
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81usaf92

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Notice your use of the world unfair. It did give them an advantage to cover up for Sandusky raping children and that's exactly what they did. Someone else posted they don't know why Paterno didn't do something about it, that's the entire point, he didn't because it would have harmed his football team!

What Sandusky was doing came to light when Penn State was worried about football. They kept him on until after the season!!! They had a child rapist, coaching, and they were like ok we'll wait until the football season is over! That's what annoys me so much, people want to act like that didn't happen but it did, they employed someone that they had reason to believe was raping children through the season, then otherwise inexplicably dismissed him. They knew what was up... then once a coach actually witnessed him raping a child (the first known account), they still didn't do anything. Why? Once again, it would have been bad for their football team.

That's what this is all about, Penn State covered up for a child rapist, employed a child rapist, allowed a child rapist to continue, for the sake of their football program. Joe Paterno took no action against a known child rapist, for the sake of their football program. And, virtually everyone in control of said football program participated as an accessory to what Sandusky was doing, by covering up for his actions. This did create an advantage vs. dealing with this properly, and it did set a precedent. It told FSU they can cover up for Winston, it told any institution that letting a rapist go on raping is something that might be worth the risk (let's not mention the moral implications).

Even people here are defending the NCAA's actions with no doubt, the same justifications Penn State used. Why should an entire town pay because Sandusky was raping children? So, using justification used here, Penn State said an entire town shouldn't, and they covered it up, and instead children paid the price. Bravo
Ok I'm done with this after this post because people are far one way or the other about it and there is no changing peoples opinions about it.

I think psu as a university should've got the book thrown at them and shut down all athletics for a set piece of time, but what does vacating wins really do? How many people don't believe Pete caroll beat Oklahoma in the orange bowl or we didn't beat Vanderbilt in 07 just because the NCAA says they didn't. So what is the point of vacating. Plus USC and alabama had the issue of athletes recieving benefits through shady means that make it appear as an unfair competitive advantage. Psu has a criminal case that has nothing to do with a competitive advantage on the field of play. So joe pa won those 111 games fairly. The coverup was an unethical and immoral incident done by the university,the athletic director, and the head coach and mcquery. All the people involved lost their jobs and where put in court and Sandusky was put in prison for life. It didn't give a competitive advantage one way or the other.
The NCAA should abolish the vacating of wins, but not championships. Vacating wins are stupid.
 
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VincentVega

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Not in this particular case. It's pretty obvious that Paterno sacrificed his integrity--not to mention the lives of Sandusky's victims--in pursuit of wins, specifically in pursuit of the all-time win record. So it's not stupid, but instead highly appropriate, that losing those wins be part of the punishment.
I agree 100% . Paterno turned his back on everything that was going on in his back yard. His name should be wiped clear of College football.
 

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