Link: Looks like the anti-vaxxers are creating a nice little outbreak.

2003TIDE · Feb 2, 2015

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/02/02/more-than-100-cases-measles-now-confirmed-in-us/

All I can do is shake my head. Anti-vaxxers are nothing but freeloaders that are banking on the heard immunity of all the kids who are vaccinated to keep their kids healthy. Nothing a case of measles can't fix though I suppose.

Bamabuzzard · Feb 2, 2015

You're going to make Jenny McCarthy mad.

TideMom2Boys · Feb 2, 2015

I hate Jenny McCarthy. She is obnoxious.

But to the topic...I am pro-vax and this is exactly why.

Jon · Feb 2, 2015

this site use to be the "Jenny McCarthy bodycount" now just antivax bodycount, not sure why it changed

http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Preventable_Deaths.html

AlistarWills · Feb 2, 2015

Its not just those against the vaccines. It's also a lot of bodies moving into the country that have not been vaccinated in their home country but are sitting next to mine and your kid in school and allowed to do so without being forced to have the same vaccinations mine and yours does. Little Johnny has to have a blue form showing he's been properly vaccinated before letting him go to school. Little Jose gets to walk in and take a seat and no one can ask questions because he's from an immigrant family that is quite possibly (gasp) illegal.

Bamabuzzard · Feb 2, 2015

AlistarWills said:
Its not just those against the vaccines. It's also a lot of bodies moving into the country that have not been vaccinated in their home country but are sitting next to mine and your kid in school and allowed to do so without being forced to have the same vaccinations mine and yours does. Little Johnny has to have a blue form showing he's been properly vaccinated before letting him go to school. Little Jose gets to walk in and take a seat and no one can ask questions because he's from an immigrant family that is quite possibly (gasp) illegal.

Now you going full bigot on us. Y'all repubs just can't let it go can y'all?

Jon · Feb 2, 2015

AlistarWills said:
Its not just those against the vaccines. It's also a lot of bodies moving into the country that have not been vaccinated in their home country but are sitting next to mine and your kid in school and allowed to do so without being forced to have the same vaccinations mine and yours does. Little Johnny has to have a blue form showing he's been properly vaccinated before letting him go to school. Little Jose gets to walk in and take a seat and no one can ask questions because he's from an immigrant family that is quite possibly (gasp) illegal.

and little johnny can just claim that he has a "religious exception" and not have to be vaccinated either.

Bamabuzzard · Feb 2, 2015

Jon said:
and little johnny can just claim that he has a "religious exception" and not have to be vaccinated either.

So...You act like that's a problem or something.

GreatDanish · Feb 2, 2015

But at least they don't have autism.

Bamabuzzard · Feb 2, 2015

GreatDanish said:
But at least they don't have autism.

LOL! That is so awesome. Hey, my child is dying of the measles but by golly at least they "ain't got no" measles.

Jon · Feb 2, 2015

BamaInMo1 · Feb 2, 2015

I'm not anti-vax but I will say I watched two of my former neighbors daughters die after several years of suffering because a vaccine messed them up bad. They both had to live on respirators and were confined to wheel chairs and their immune systems were destroyed.....by vaccines. Oh yeah, did I mention the round the clock nursing that was required?

Bamabuzzard · Feb 2, 2015

BamaInMo1 said:
I'm not anti-vax but I will say I watched two of my former neighbors daughters die after several years of suffering because a vaccine messed them up bad. They both had to live on respirators and were confined to wheel chairs and their immune systems were destroyed.....by vaccines. Oh yeah, did I mention the round the clock nursing that was required?

That is unfortunate but I would think those are very rare instances. Are those rare instances worth doing completely away with vaccines and exposing millions upon millions to a deadly disease?

Bama Reb · Feb 2, 2015

BamaInMo1 said:
I'm not anti-vax but I will say I watched two of my former neighbors daughters die after several years of suffering because a vaccine messed them up bad. They both had to live on respirators and were confined to wheel chairs and their immune systems were destroyed.....by vaccines. Oh yeah, did I mention the round the clock nursing that was required?

One of my best friends lost his oldest (teenage) daughter to a "flu" vaccine she received. She only got the shot because she was encouraged to do so by the administrators at the high school she attended. She got violently ill and lost consciousness and was immediately transported by ambulance to the hospital. She was comatose for almost 2 weeks before she died.
I'm old enough that all my kids are grown and have families of their own. But I'll never, ever tell my grandkids that they should get vaccinated unless it's something their parents want done.
Screw the vaccines, everyone who says we should get them, and everyone else who calls us "anti-vaxxers" or otherwise denigrates us for not conforming to their pro-government agenda.

PacadermaTideUs · Feb 2, 2015

I'm not anti-vax either. Nor do I put too much credence in the supposed vax-autism link. I'm vaccinated. My kids are vaccinated. My animals are vaccinated. IMO, vaccines rock.

I don't think pro-vax/anti-vax or autism/no-autism is the important debate however. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the state forcing preventive medicine on people. We're not talking about parents denying treatment for an existing condition here. We're talking about parents who may, for whatever reason, choose to forego medically recommended preventive actions. Seems to me this isn't too much different than the whole "Big Gulp" legality issue or Michelle's crackdown on school lunches, or the ACA mandation. If you're worried about the "unclean" spreading their disease to your kids, get your kids vaccinated. Problem solved.

IMO, it's the personal liberty issue (not the autism or any other vax-suspicious issue) that is important to 70-80% of those who argue against mandated vaccination. It's not the vaccination they're arguing against. It's the mandation of it that they object to.

Washington Post Spin: Repubs Hate Science

2003TIDE · Feb 2, 2015

Bama Reb said:
One of my best friends lost his oldest (teenage) daughter to a "flu" vaccine she received. She only got the shot because she was encouraged to do so by the administrators at the high school she attended. She got violently ill and lost consciousness and was immediately transported by ambulance to the hospital. She was comatose for almost 2 weeks before she died.
I'm old enough that all my kids are grown and have families of their own. But I'll never, ever tell my grandkids that they should get vaccinated unless it's something their parents want done.
Screw the vaccines, everyone who says we should get them, and everyone else who calls us "anti-vaxxers" or otherwise denigrates us for not conforming to their pro-government agenda.

So what is worse? 0.0004% or 2.6million. I'll give you a hint the first is the percentage of severe reactions to the MMR vaccine. The second is he number if deaths per year prior to 1980 when the measles vaccine became prevalent. With measles causing 2 deaths per 1000 you are 5x better taking the vaccine.

I don't mind you not getting the vaccine. I do mind you not getting it and wanting to take part in society. Nut jobs that think like this will have all kinds of goodies like polio back soon.

Bama Reb · Feb 2, 2015

2003TIDE said:
So what is worse? 0.0004% or 2.6million. I'll give you a hint the first is the percentage of severe reactions to the MMR vaccine. The second is he number if deaths per year prior to 1980 when the measles vaccine became prevalent. With measles causing 2 deaths per 1000 you are 5x better taking the vaccine.
I don't mind you not getting the vaccine. I do mind you not getting it and wanting to take part in society. Nut jobs that think like this will have all kinds of goodies like polio back soon.

You can quote all the numbers you want. When one of your own get deathly ill because of a vaccine, those number tend to mean less than 00.00%

92tide · Feb 3, 2015

AlistarWills said:
Its not just those against the vaccines. It's also a lot of bodies moving into the country that have not been vaccinated in their home country but are sitting next to mine and your kid in school and allowed to do so without being forced to have the same vaccinations mine and yours does. Little Johnny has to have a blue form showing he's been properly vaccinated before letting him go to school. Little Jose gets to walk in and take a seat and no one can ask questions because he's from an immigrant family that is quite possibly (gasp) illegal.

mexico has similar or higher vaccination rates than the us.

92tide · Feb 3, 2015

PacadermaTideUs said:
I'm not anti-vax either. Nor do I put too much credence in the supposed vax-autism link. I'm vaccinated. My kids are vaccinated. My animals are vaccinated. IMO, vaccines rock.

I don't think pro-vax/anti-vax or autism/no-autism is the important debate however. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the state forcing preventive medicine on people. We're not talking about parents denying treatment for an existing condition here. We're talking about parents who may, for whatever reason, choose to forego medically recommended preventive actions. Seems to me this isn't too much different than the whole "Big Gulp" legality issue or Michelle's crackdown on school lunches, or the ACA mandation. If you're worried about the "unclean" spreading their disease to your kids, get your kids vaccinated. Problem solved.

IMO, it's the personal liberty issue (not the autism or any other vax-suspicious issue) that is important to 70-80% of those who argue against mandated vaccination. It's not the vaccination they're arguing against. It's the mandation of it that they object to.

Washington Post Spin: Repubs Hate Science

herd immunity

PacadermaTideUs · Feb 3, 2015

92tide said:
herd immunity

Your point?

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