Link: Is Marshawn Lynch sending kids the wrong message? Larry Foote thinks so.

Bamabuzzard · Feb 3, 2015

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12272608/arizona-cardinals-linebacker-larry-foote-says-marshawn-lynch-seattle-seahawks-sending-wrong-message-kids

It's the offseason so I'll put this here for discussion. Larry Foote calls out Lynch for his defiance toward authority and claims it is sending kids the wrong message. Thoughts?

BamaPokerplayer · Feb 3, 2015

It doesn't seem like the Seahawks mind. I guess the league is the regulatory body, like the SEC and FINRA. That is who he seems to be showing defiance toward. Good for him.

JeffAtlanta · Feb 3, 2015

BamaPokerplayer said:
It doesn't seem like the Seahawks mind. I guess the league is the regulatory body, like the SEC and FINRA. That is who he seems to be showing defiance toward. Good for him.

The league is the body that negotiates tv and media contracts and makes it possible for Lynch to make his income.

BamaPokerplayer · Feb 3, 2015

JeffAtlanta said:
The league is the body that negotiates tv and media contracts and makes it possible for Lynch to make his income.

He seems to be doing what they ask by showing up. He has to watch what he says or else that fine him for talking.

stlimprov · Feb 3, 2015

Eh...the reality is that developing or possessing a unique skill set provides one the leverage to comply or not. I think it is more important to encourage kids to develop skills than to comply with a system. The reality is that, to some extent or another, everybody leverages their skills for something. It may be money, or it may be autonomy, or it may be something else. Better to be a little cocky and willing to work to back it up than to focus on submission/compliance.
In practice, I wouldn't disagree with Foote in 99% of the cases, but I think calling Lynch out on this is bogus. Lynch seems to a have a pretty good idea of how valuable his skills are and what that affords him. The problem is not that Lynch knows what he's worth, it's that a bunch of kids without skills don't.

crimsonaudio · Feb 3, 2015

Sports writers and commentators are just upset that Lynch has the gall to tell them to their faces how unimportant they really are.

RTR91 · Feb 3, 2015

crimsonaudio said:
Sports writers and commentators are just upset that Lynch has the gall to tell them to their faces how unimportant they really are.

Larry Foote isn't a sports writer. He's an Arizona Cardinals LB. His comments weren't just about Lynch not talking, either:

"The biggest message he's giving these kids, he might not want to admit it, is 'The hell with authority. I don't care, fine me. I'm gonna grab my crotch. I'm gonna do it my way.'"

crimsonaudio · Feb 3, 2015

RTR91 said:
Larry Foote isn't a sports writer. He's an Arizona Cardinals LB. His comments weren't just about Lynch not talking, either:

I was reacting to the video on the link, sorry, should have made that clear.

As for everything else, the sooner people realize that someone shouldn't be their kids' role model just because they're good at playing a game, the better off we'll all be.

Bamabuzzard · Feb 3, 2015

crimsonaudio said:
I was reacting to the video on the link, sorry, should have made that clear.

As for everything else, the sooner people realize that someone shouldn't be their kids' role model just because they're good at playing a game, the better off we'll all be.

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stlimprov · Feb 3, 2015

In fact, regarding press responsibilities, Lynch has pretty much perfected figuring out exactly what compliance is required of him and offering exactly that.

RTR91 · Feb 3, 2015

crimsonaudio said:
I was reacting to the video on the link, sorry, should have made that clear.

As for everything else, the sooner people realize that someone shouldn't be their kids' role model just because they're good at playing a game, the better off we'll all be.

Again, go back to what Foote says:

"He always mentions his foundation and what he likes to do for the city of Oakland," Foote said in an interview with 93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh. "I'm from the same type of urban environment that he's from.

Lynch has a foundation where he works hands-on with kids. By doing so, he's making himself a guy kids look up to.

BamaPokerplayer · Feb 3, 2015

It is going to be hard to dispute Foote, if we accept his view of Lynch's message. One can also see someone who is standing up for what he believes, and not simply going along with the status quo.

Bamabuzzard · Feb 3, 2015

BamaPokerplayer said:
It is going to be hard to dispute Foote, if we accept his view of Lynch's message. One can also see someone who is standing up for what he believes, and not simply going along with the status quo.

I don't care one way or the other about it to be honest. But isn't speaking responsibilities in the contract the player's sign to play in the NFL?

4Q Basket Case · Feb 3, 2015

I'm under no illusions as to Lynch's suitability as a role model. Kids shouldn't act the way he conducts himself in public.

But there are dozens of other players who do far worse, and get no rebuke for it. At least as far as what's publicly known about him, he's far down the list of players I'd single out.

Hooks4bama · Feb 3, 2015

stlimprov said:
Eh...the reality is that developing or possessing a unique skill set provides one the leverage to comply or not. I think it is more important to encourage kids to develop skills than to comply with a system. The reality is that, to some extent or another, everybody leverages their skills for something. It may be money, or it may be autonomy, or it may be something else. Better to be a little cocky and willing to work to back it up than to focus on submission/compliance.
In practice, I wouldn't disagree with Foote in 99% of the cases, but I think calling Lynch out on this is bogus. Lynch seems to a have a pretty good idea of how valuable his skills are and what that affords him. The problem is not that Lynch knows what he's worth, it's that a bunch of kids without skills don't.

That's like saying "Im a genius in school, so I don't have to do the work".

I don't see a problem with the way he goes about answering questions. The rule doesn't state you have to give well articulated answers to the media. If the media had any sense, they wouldn't ask a question 20 more times after the first 10 were all the same.

RTR91 · Feb 3, 2015

BamaPokerplayer said:
It is going to be hard to dispute Foote, if we accept his view of Lynch's message. One can also see someone who is standing up for what he believes, and not simply going along with the status quo.

So being fined once for grabbing his crotch and then doing it again, which leads to a second fine is standing up for what he believes?

Bamabuzzard · Feb 3, 2015

RTR91 said:
So being fined once for grabbing his crotch and then doing it again, which leads to a second fine is standing up for what he believes?

That's how he stands up for what he believes in, by grabbing his crotch. My dog does something similar. When I tell him to go outside and he doesn't want to. He casually raises his leg and begins licking himself as if he didn't hear me.

AgentAntiOrange · Feb 3, 2015

I feel like this is simpler than we're making it. An athlete known as BeastMode grabbed his crotch. That's kind of the extent of it. He's not a distraction to his team and he isn't known around the league as a 'thug' as far as i know. Heck, the guy is best known for:

EATING SKITTLES.

Seriously, if Larry Foote, or anyone for that matter, wants to dissect the validity of NFL players as role models go ahead...but Lynch isn't TO, Michael Irvin, Ray Rice, Suh, Albert Haynesworth, Hernandez, or any of the NFL big names with lengthy histories. I've seen worse while watching The Simpsons.

TideEngineer08 · Feb 3, 2015

Methinks the NFL became WAY too self-important at some point during the last decade or two. It is becoming almost unwatchable because of the daily soap opera it produces.

Oh and yes. The media is the worst part of that soap opera.

Bamabuzzard · Feb 3, 2015

TideEngineer08 said:
Methinks the NFL became WAY too self-important at some point during the last decade or two. It is becoming almost unwatchable because of the daily soap opera it produces.

Oh and yes. The media is the worst part of that soap opera.

It's when people showed they'd pay anything to watch it. Anyone ever priced the NFL Sunday Ticket? Gone to an NFL game lately? It's ridiculous at what it costs yet it seems people can't get enough. It's all about supply and demand. There's a huge demand for the NFL and it appears there's no end in sight.

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