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Paper; Global Warming "The Biggest Science Scandal Ever"

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Re: Paper; Global Warming "The Biggest Science Scandal Ever"

cuda.1973 said:
SERIOUSLY? You are quoting Snopes? And you expect me to take that propaganda site seriously? Give me a break.
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Snopes quotes several of the researchers whose papers were wrongly cited by Delingpole directly. Your problem is not with Snopes, your disdain for it notwithstanding.
cuda.1973 said:
What? You used the word "theory"? I assume you know what a theory is then.
Science is theory.
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Science is a method to find truth. Theories are the pinnacle. Attacking something as "just a theory" is laughable on its face. If something is a theory, there's a lot of corroborating evidence. You can attack gravity, germ theory, electromagnetism, relativity or even anthropogenic climate change until you're blue in the face. It doesn't make them any less true
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Here we go.............the old "the debate is settled" excuse.
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The debate has moved on.
The earth is an oblate spehroid that orbits the sun. Miasmas do not cause disease, germs do. Objects with mass curve spacetime. Heat is not caused by phlogiston.
Even those these topics were once very controversial, we do not seriously debate the competing position. Same with climate change.
cuda.1973 said:
Yes, why do we have this debate? (Actually, I have no interest in debating you. I saw plenty of that, when Mrs. C was the debate team adviser.)
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Misinformation and ignorance. I think you would attack electromagnetism if Delingpole wrote (and Breitbart published) an article disparaging Tesla.
cuda.1973 said:
Because the folks on "your side" are constantly coming up with chicken-little scenarios. Trumpeted by know-nothing effete Hollyweird elitists, anti-capitalism kooks (like Naomi Klein and the rest of the "de-growthers"), and all-around hypocritical scumbags (like Mr. Man-Bear-Pig), who milk it for their personal wealth.
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You attack strawmen or nutpick. You dismiss the science out of hand.
Yes, some people have said and done some stupid stuff. That doesn't invalidate the science itself. "AlGore/Hollywood/socialism/the media said (stupid thing)" is not a proper argument.
cuda.1973 said:
When the co-founder of GreenPeace says it is a research scam, the warming pattern is part of a 10-20 million year cycle (which is dependent on the wobble in the tilt in the Earth's rotation), and the fact that some people can't tell the difference between causation and correlation, that is why "the science isn't settled".
I'm done.
I have a sense of humor. That will not go away. I don't need to hear stuff that doesn't amuse me. So, I will go away.Or, I could be lying..............................
Oh, one last point......................
Mr. GreenPeace co-founder doesn't think a warming trend is a bad thing. It increases the chance that 2 of the largest land masses, on the Earth, can grow food. IOW, Canada and Russia.
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Patrick Moore's words are no more founded in fact than yours.
cuda.1973 said:
You can now go back to contemplating the sensitivity of the climate. Maybe we will know, in about another 50,000 years.
Or not.
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We'll know a lot sooner than that.
Even the low end estimates are not good news.
cuda.1973 said:
In case you have not noticed, the Earth was here for billions of years, before the Industrial Revolution. All those Ice Ages didn't come and go because a bunch of Texans were driving around in big SUVs, running the A/C full blast, in the winter, and our gals weren't poofing up their hair with aerosol spray cans of whatever that stuff is.
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We are capable of effecting great change. That mountain that's been there millions of years? We hollowed it out digging for ore. We cut away a huge mass of land to make a huge canal in Panama. It sat there unaffected for millions too. We tore a hole in the ozone layer, which predates animals by more than a billion years! "Herp derp we didn't do that" is not an answer unless you can point to a competing reason as to why, and there aren't any valid ones.
cuda.1973 said:
And while you are contemplating the sensitivity of the climate, maybe you will take time to educate all the other members on how the Earth's magnetic poles, have reversed, an estimated 400 times or so, without us dang Texans doing something to provoke it to change.
Sometimes, stuff just happens.
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Everything has a cause. The reversal of the poles is geology at work. The flow of magnetohydrodynamic fluid deep within the earth.
This is a non sequitur anyway.
cuda.1973 said:
(Hubris is when we think we can affect things we have no effect on.) (Did I get the order of those 2 right? I guess I could Google it. Or, you could just add that to the list.................)
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Hubris is thinking there's no need to be good stewards of what we were given.
You've got affect and effect correct.
cuda.1973 said:
OK, you guys are going to have to amuse yourselves, for a while. I've run out of jokes.
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You, out of jokes? Never! ;)
 
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Government Report Finds Drastic Impact of Climate Change on U.S.

The average temperature in the United States has risen rapidly and drastically since 1980, and recent decades have been the warmest of the past 1,500 years, according to a sweeping federal climate change report awaiting approval by the Trump administration.

The draft report by scientists from 13 federal agencies, which has not yet been made public, concludes that Americans are feeling the effects of climate change right now. It directly contradicts claims by President Trump and members of his cabinet who say that the human contribution to climate change is uncertain, and the ability to predict the effects are limited.

The report was completed this year and is part of the National Climate Assessment, which is congressionally mandated every four years. The National Academy of Sciences has signed off on the draft and is awaiting permission from the Trump administration to release it. One government scientist who worked on the report, and who spoke to The Times on the condition of anonymity, said he and others are concerned it will be suppressed.

The report concludes that even if humans immediately stopped emitting greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, the world would still feel at least an additional 0.50 degrees Fahrenheit (0.30 degrees Celsius) of warming over this century compared to today. A small difference in global temperatures can make a big difference in the climate: The difference between a 1.5 degree Celsius and a 2 degree Celsius rise in global average temperatures, for example, could mean longer-lasting heat waves, more intense rainstorms and the faster disintegration of coral reefs.

The report finds it “extremely likely” that more than half of the global mean temperature increase since 1951 can be linked to human influence. In the United States, the report finds with “very high” confidence that the number and severity of cool nights has decreased, while the frequency and severity of warm days has increased since the 1960s. Extreme cold waves, it says, are less common since the 1980s, while extreme heat waves are more common.

The government scientists wrote that surface, air and ground temperatures in Alaska and the Arctic are warming at a frighteningly fast rate — twice as fast as the global average.

“It is very likely that the accelerated rate of Arctic warming will have a significant consequence for the United States due to accelerating land and sea ice melting that is driving changes in the ocean including sea level rise threatening our coastal communities,” the report says.

Human activity, it goes on to say, is a primary culprit.
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CajunCrimson said:
Oh well.....it's too late. Enjoy the ride.
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Tide1986 said:
For sure. Can't do anything about it now.
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"I'll be dead before any of the truly bad consequences are realized, so what do I care about slowing the rate of global warming?" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You have no idea what we will be able to do about it in the future. 30 years ago, we didn't have a global system of interconnected networks that gave us instantaneous global communication. 15 years ago, we still had a hole in our planet's ozone layer, and computers couldn't even fit in our pockets. Refusing to do what we can right now and extrapolating that to mean we will never be able to is, quite frankly, selfish and dishonest.
 
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CharminTide said:

"I'll be dead before any of the truly bad consequences are realized, so what do I care about slowing the rate of global warming?" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You have no idea what we will be able to do about it in the future. 30 years ago, we didn't have a global system of interconnected networks that gave us instantaneous global communication. 15 years ago, we still had a hole in our planet's ozone layer, and computers couldn't even fit in our pockets. Refusing to do what we can right now and extrapolating that to mean we will never be able to is, quite frankly, selfish and dishonest.
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denying global warming "selfish"
Using Abortion as birth control "not selfish"

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You have no idea what we will be able to do about it in the future.
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I think many people believe countries that are just beginning to become industrialized like China are not going to restrict their economy regardless of what we do over here. It's a greedy world.

It's like Greenpeace and their efforts to reduce the whaling industry. In 1846, we owned 640 whaling ships, more than the rest of the world put together and tripled.

Norway is now hunting a higher proportion of breeding females which could put the long-term survival of minke whales in the North Atlantic in severe danger. Like Japan, Iceland initially conducted a 'scientific' whaling program. Then, in 1992, it withdrew from the IWC, the global intergovernmental body charged with the conservation of whales and the management of whaling.

It's like the "agent" said in the movie Matrix. People are like a virus on the earth. It may balance itself out after we've been gone long enough.

Most people don't even recycle. In my neighborhood I asked the trash men why they dumped my sorted box of paper into their trash truck. They said no one around me sorted their products so they stopped also. Now it all goes into the same truck.

You'll never get rich people from driving big cars and taking charter flights. They'll water their grass when they want and burn as much electricity as they want.

Tell Congress they have to have the same health plan as the rest of us.

Tell Bernie to be the 1st to share his wealth.
 
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IMALOYAL1 said:
I think many people believe countries that are just beginning to become industrialized like China are not going to restrict their economy regardless of what we do over here. It's a greedy world.
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China is actually one of the world's leaders in the green revolution, and they are among the countries most eager to embrace clean energy. They realize that's where the profit will be in the near future, and we're actively handing that to them.

Now, not every country will have the financial means to pay for some of these advances. But as places like the U.S., China, and Europe pioneer these new technologies, they will become cheaper. And the Montreal Protocol (which, in a more reasonable time, galvanized the entire world to repair the ozone layer), included a fund to help developing countries. Something similar may be needed again. But we've solved a global climate crisis before, and it's absurd to assert that we'll never be able to repeat that accomplishment.
 
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I still separate my paper goods. I can't make my neighbors do it. It's hard enough to pick up the trash in my yard where the school bus stops. I'm all for clean air, clean water and will do as much as I can.
 
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CharminTide said:
China is actually one of the world's leaders in the green revolution, and they are among the countries most eager to embrace clean energy. They realize that's where the profit will be in the near future, and we're actively handing that to them.

Now, not every country will have the financial means to pay for some of these advances. But as places like the U.S., China, and Europe pioneer these new technologies, they will become cheaper. And the Montreal Protocol (which, in a more reasonable time, galvanized the entire world to repair the ozone layer), included a fund to help developing countries. Something similar may be needed again. But we've solved a global climate crisis before, and it's absurd to assert that we'll never be able to repeat that accomplishment.
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www.reuters.com/news/picture/who-are-the-worlds-biggest-polluters-idUSRTXRKSI
 
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cuda.1973 said:
Seriously?
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Completely serious.

China, once the world's biggest polluter, is now the world's largest backer of green energy

In September 2016, China’s cancelled more than 103 under-construction and planned coal-fired power plants, a total of 120 gigawatt hours (GWh) of capacity. In March this year, premier Li Keqiang announced that an additional 50GWh would be shut down or postponed. The coal power stopped in China so far is equivalent to the combined coal power capacity of the UK and Spain. China’s era of one coal-fired station a week is over.

China is now the world’s largest backer of green energy, accounting for 17% of global investment in the sector.
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