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Isaiah 63:1 said:

Per Wikipedia, "In nine of his fourteen [NCAA Tournament appearances] at Texas, the Longhorns went on to lose to a lower seed..."

I realize that entry is slightly outdated, but if that's not underperforming, I don't know what is. Maybe he's the best we can do, but if so that's paying neither of us a compliment.

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Heh, ok let's get this straight. He's done things at Texas no other coach did, he went to the NCAA tournament every year but one, he made it past the first round almost every single year... but because he didn't go further he's a failure? He in his career at Texas nearly matched everything Texas did in basketball, ever.

He is their Wimp Sanderson, a good recruiter, a guy that went to the NCAA tournament almost every single year, the best thing the program has ever had really... and yeah, a guy who didn't end up winning a championship. Now you tell me, would Alabama prefer another Wimp Sanderson over some unproven coach right now? He became a victim of his own success, much in the same way that a lot of people blame Saban for doing something wrong if they don't win a championship. His recruits are so good and his teams are so good that to not win a championship is a failure. Thye run the guy off after making it to the second round of the tournament, and it's not like Texas has a pile of NCAA tournament titles, they have exactly 0. He didn't under-perform at Texas, he took their program to new heights, they just don't realize that.

If only Alabama basketball could have the problem of having a high seed in the NCAA tournament... Alabama hasn't even been to the second round since 2006.

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Blindside13 said:

being one and done in the dance is better that two and done in the NIT.

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Let me quote this out of place, he's only been one and done three times at Texas. That means out of all those years at Texas, he only failed to make it to the second round of the NCAA tournament four times. That's amazingly consistent...

Isaiah 63:1 said:

Per Wikipedia, "In nine of his fourteen [NCAA Tournament appearances] at Texas, the Longhorns went on to lose to a lower seed..."

I realize that entry is slightly outdated, but if that's not underperforming, I don't know what is. Maybe he's the best we can do, but if so that's paying neither of us a compliment.

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I was wrong on the numbers I thought he had made more appearances. And I do see your point however being one and done in the dance is better that two and done in the NIT. If you are making the dance consistently as he was at least you should be attracting good recruits. He is not the long term answer as some have stated because of age but who is right now if Marshall says no. I would rather have him than some of these unproven names I have seen.

Someone on another site said that Scarbinski tweeted this:

I'm told not to write off Alabama's interest in Gregg Marshall just yet.

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wimp in 12 years at alabama 5 sec tourney champs 1 reg season..
that is some version of a champ every other year on avg... (tourney or reg)

barnes 28 seasons.. 4 conf championships (tourney or reg)

that is 1 champ every years.. sorry that is average at best...

KrAzY3 said:

He is their Wimp Sanderson, at...

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Rama Jama said:

If Marshall is not an option. Call Avery Johnson.

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Do you want another micro manager? Good guy, hard worker, doesn't put up with nonsense. Just holds the reins too tight.

wsims74 said:

wimp in 12 years at alabama 5 sec tourney champs 1 reg season..
that is some version of a champ every other year on avg... (tourney or reg)

barnes 28 seasons.. 4 conf championships (tourney or reg)

that is 1 champ every years.. sorry that is average at best...

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What's so important about conference titles? Seriously, I haven't heard this brought up with any other candidate, and believe you me a lot of them either play in a conference in which a title is a joke, or haven't exactly been stacking them in giant piles. Wimp coached 12 years at Alabama (also, if we're making comparisons Barnes made it past the Sweet 3 times). He failed to make it to the NCAA tournament or past the first round, 6 times, that means 50% of the time he didn't get past the first round of the NCAA tournament.

Barnes in 17 years at Texas, made it past the first round of the NCAA tournament 13 times. That's 76% of the time. That's pretty significant and nowhere near average. Go ahead and see how many coaches you can find who made it to the NCAA tournament 16 out of the past 17 years, the list will be really really short. . But, let's get back to the whole conference champs thing. And nice of you to drag up his previous work, because that's needed to shade him negatively, Tom Crean in 7 years at Indiana won a single conference title, and he was at the top of a lot of people's lists. And, he was at Indiana, a team that won a heck of a lot of of conference titles when he wasn't around. Conference titles are an odd thing to fixate on, Alabama just needs to get in the tournament, beating out Kentucky for conference titles looks like a pipe dream at this point...

Oh and if you do insist on combining what he did at other schools, Rick Barnes has made the NCAA tournament 19 out of his past 20 seasons (and all of those a a team that's never even won a NCAA title, this wasn't at a program like Kentucky or North Carolina). Wow...

KrAzY3 said:

Heh, ok let's get this straight. He's done things at Texas no other coach did, he went to the NCAA tournament every year but one, he made it past the first round almost every single year... but because he didn't go further he's a failure?...

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Underperformance and failure are not necessarily the same thing. If you routinely lose to lower seeds in the tournament, that's underperformance by definition. If you expect and are satisfied with that, then it isn't failure.; but there's no way we'd long be any happier with that habitual outcome than was Texas...

wsims74 said:

wimp in 12 years at alabama 5 sec tourney champs 1 reg season..
that is some version of a champ every other year on avg... (tourney or reg)

barnes 28 seasons.. 4 conf championships (tourney or reg)

that is 1 champ every years.. sorry that is average at best...

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Really? Avg.? Really. So his final four is more than Bama has in its entirety. Barnes isn't going to be the choice but he's been an outstanding coach. Avg. is what CAG was.


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How many times did Barnes finish runner up to Kansas? I think that ought to put the lack of conference championships in context. How much would we tolerate finishing runner up to kentucky in the conference yet go to the tournament every year and make the sweet 16 more times than not? I would take that all day long.

JDCrimson said:

How many times did Barnes finish runner up to Kansas? I think that ought to put the lack of conference championships in context. How much would we tolerate finishing runner up to kentucky in the conference yet go to the tournament every year and make the sweet 16 more times than not? I would take that all day long.

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Who was the head coach at Alabama when Barnes was an assistant at Bama?

Al A Bama said:

Who was the head coach at Alabama when Barnes was an assistant at Bama?

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Wimp Sanderson

imauafan said:

Someone on another site said that Scarbinski tweeted this:

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That's interesting


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CB4 said:

Wimp Sanderson

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Thanks.

Now, wouldn't it be great to go farther in the NCAA with Barnes than whoever Texas hires, if we can't get Marshall.

Enough of this basketball talk, you might want to go check out the football board right now...

From the sound of it from the sportscast tonight' on WVUA (I'm in Tuscaloosa visiting my daughter) that Marshall has told Bama "No"

We need a splashy hire that will fire up the fan base. Regardless of what you think of him, Barnes will not do that.

deliveryman35 said:

We need a splashy hire that will fire up the fan base. Regardless of what you think of him, Barnes will not do that.

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Any suggestions? I just can't think of ANY.

Maybe Coach Battle has/had a plan. I hope Coach Battle has/had a plan. You need to know THAT plan before you FIRE what you have/had. Hopefully, he didn't put all his eggs in that one basket, i.e. Marshall.

deliveryman35 said:

We need a splashy hire that will fire up the fan base. Regardless of what you think of him, Barnes will not do that.

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That's just it though, if Alabama missed out on Marshall and Smart, there is no splashy hire to be made. Auburn got a splashy hire last year, we know they took on risk but they got one... if Alabama doesn't get one of those two guys, punting is about as well as they can hope to do.

Al A Bama said:

Any suggestions? I just can't think of ANY.

Maybe Coach Battle has/had a plan. I hope Coach Battle has/had a plan. You need to know THAT plan before you FIRE what you have/had. Hopefully, he didn't put all his eggs in that one basket, i.e. Marshall.

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Not if your option was keeping Grant. He made the right call.


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deliveryman35 said:

We need a splashy hire that will fire up the fan base. Regardless of what you think of him, Barnes will not do that.

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Now, Brad Stevens would be a splashy hire. Is he tired of the NBA yet? That's the only splashy hire that I can think of at this time.