Link: Obama Praises Payday Lender Rules..Vows Veto Of Limitations(During Visit In B'Ham)

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TideMan09

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I agree about all these payday loans, I got a loan one time too help my ex wife make her house payment one month, so my Baby Girls wouldn't lose the house they've lived in since the day they were born..I kid y'all not about the payday loan I got, it was pure hell paying off that loan, I learned to never ever go that route ever again..This pic & look on this Baby girls face made me chuckle while meeting Obama..LOL

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Gr8hope

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While this issue is one that the State should take on, Obama doesn't care. It was just used as a distraction from the real damage he is doing that will hurt those who would need such loans most.
 

Jon

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I agree about all these payday loans, I got a loan one time too help my ex wife make her house payment one month, so my Baby Girls wouldn't lose the house they've lived in since the day they were born..I kid y'all not about the payday loan I got, it was pure hell paying off that loan, I learned to never ever go that route ever again..This pic & look on this Baby girls face made me chuckle while meeting Obama..LOL

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I did a title loan once, just graduated and married and started a business. Wife was waiting tables and we had no other income, car was paid for though so it worked out ok. The interest was unbelievably high but it really came through in a pinch. I was able to keep my business running

I'm torn on payday lenders, sure they are scum but no one forces anyone to use them.
 

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Payday lenders are predatory and take advantage of people.
As a commercial banker / financial analyst by training, I don't disagree with the characterization of payday lenders. But getting rid of them, or putting limits on rollovers / number of loans outstanding at any one time would have some serious unintended consequences.

I know the intent is to protect unsuspecting borrowers from their own lack of understanding.

The problem arises in that payday lenders' target market doesn't qualify for credit cards. If they did, they'd use them, as opposed to CheckIntoCash, et. al.

So what happens when you limit by law the number of rollovers or outstanding loans (and the CFPB is about to do just that)? You cut off further credit to someone who can't get it from other legitimate lenders.

Here's a practical example: a borrower wants to roll over a payday loan. But he'***** the limit on the number of times he can do so. So a willing lender is barred by law from continuing a loan to a willing borrower. But the borrower doesn't have the cash to pay off the loan.

So the reg, intended to protect the unsuspecting borrower from himself, actually pushes him into bankruptcy, EVEN THOUGH there's a lender willing to help him avoid that.

Actually, I guess there is an alternative -- loan sharks and bookies. As distasteful as paying 36% APR, it's better than getting kneecapped by Tony Soprano and friends.

Point being, as scuzzy as these guys are, they didn't spring up because the owners wanted to abuse people. They sprang up because there was a demand for them. If the Feds want to eliminate or limit them, they need to think about what will fill the void their well-intended meddling will create.
 

Jon

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As a commercial banker / financial analyst by training, I don't disagree with the characterization of payday lenders. But getting rid of them, or putting limits on rollovers / number of loans outstanding at any one time would have some serious unintended consequences.

I know the intent is to protect unsuspecting borrowers from their own lack of understanding.

The problem arises in that payday lenders' target market doesn't qualify for credit cards. If they did, they'd use them, as opposed to CheckIntoCash, et. al.

So what happens when you limit by law the number of rollovers or outstanding loans (and the CFPB is about to do just that)? You cut off further credit to someone who can't get it from other legitimate lenders.

Here's a practical example: a borrower wants to roll over a payday loan. But he'***** the limit on the number of times he can do so. So a willing lender is barred by law from continuing a loan to a willing borrower. But the borrower doesn't have the cash to pay off the loan.

So the reg, intended to protect the unsuspecting borrower from himself, actually pushes him into bankruptcy, EVEN THOUGH there's a lender willing to help him avoid that.

Actually, I guess there is an alternative -- loan sharks and bookies. As distasteful as paying 36% APR, it's better than getting kneecapped by Tony Soprano and friends.

Point being, as scuzzy as these guys are, they didn't spring up because the owners wanted to abuse people. They sprang up because there was a demand for them. If the Feds want to eliminate or limit them, they need to think about what will fill the void their well-intended meddling will create.

yup
 

Bodhisattva

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As a commercial banker / financial analyst by training, I don't disagree with the characterization of payday lenders. But getting rid of them, or putting limits on rollovers / number of loans outstanding at any one time would have some serious unintended consequences.

I know the intent is to protect unsuspecting borrowers from their own lack of understanding.

The problem arises in that payday lenders' target market doesn't qualify for credit cards. If they did, they'd use them, as opposed to CheckIntoCash, et. al.

So what happens when you limit by law the number of rollovers or outstanding loans (and the CFPB is about to do just that)? You cut off further credit to someone who can't get it from other legitimate lenders.

Here's a practical example: a borrower wants to roll over a payday loan. But he'***** the limit on the number of times he can do so. So a willing lender is barred by law from continuing a loan to a willing borrower. But the borrower doesn't have the cash to pay off the loan.

So the reg, intended to protect the unsuspecting borrower from himself, actually pushes him into bankruptcy, EVEN THOUGH there's a lender willing to help him avoid that.

Actually, I guess there is an alternative -- loan sharks and bookies. As distasteful as paying 36% APR, it's better than getting kneecapped by Tony Soprano and friends.

Point being, as scuzzy as these guys are, they didn't spring up because the owners wanted to abuse people. They sprang up because there was a demand for them. If the Feds want to eliminate or limit them, they need to think about what will fill the void their well-intended meddling will create.
*Like* Good post. Markets will find a way. It's up to the government to determine how much it wants the markets distorted.
 

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As a commercial banker / financial analyst by training, I don't disagree with the characterization of payday lenders. But getting rid of them, or putting limits on rollovers / number of loans outstanding at any one time would have some serious unintended consequences.

I know the intent is to protect unsuspecting borrowers from their own lack of understanding.

The problem arises in that payday lenders' target market doesn't qualify for credit cards. If they did, they'd use them, as opposed to CheckIntoCash, et. al.

So what happens when you limit by law the number of rollovers or outstanding loans (and the CFPB is about to do just that)? You cut off further credit to someone who can't get it from other legitimate lenders.

Here's a practical example: a borrower wants to roll over a payday loan. But he'***** the limit on the number of times he can do so. So a willing lender is barred by law from continuing a loan to a willing borrower. But the borrower doesn't have the cash to pay off the loan.

So the reg, intended to protect the unsuspecting borrower from himself, actually pushes him into bankruptcy, EVEN THOUGH there's a lender willing to help him avoid that.

Actually, I guess there is an alternative -- loan sharks and bookies. As distasteful as paying 36% APR, it's better than getting kneecapped by Tony Soprano and friends.

Point being, as scuzzy as these guys are, they didn't spring up because the owners wanted to abuse people. They sprang up because there was a demand for them. If the Feds want to eliminate or limit them, they need to think about what will fill the void their well-intended meddling will create.
I agree with you. Despite being "predatory" there's a demand. I mean Guido will loan you money as well at 35% so there's not much difference. There's no place for government intervention in my opinion. Let the markets work. If people need a payday loan, just know you're going to get reamed.
 

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I did a title loan once, just graduated and married and started a business. Wife was waiting tables and we had no other income, car was paid for though so it worked out ok. The interest was unbelievably high but it really came through in a pinch. I was able to keep my business running

I'm torn on payday lenders, sure they are scum but no one forces anyone to use them.
No one forces them, but they are certainly forced by their circumstances to use them. These operations are normally hugely profitable. There needs to be full disclosure of interest rates, payback periods, etc. I'd make them put it on their TV ads, instead of girls dancing around singing about how happy their title loans had made them...
 
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seebell

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No one forces them, but they are certainly forces by their circumstances to use them. These operations are normally hugely profitable. There needs to be full disclosure of interest rates, payback periods, etc. I'd make them put it on their TV ads, instead of girls dancing around singing about how happy their title loans had made them...
The past President Pro Tem of the Alabama Senate was hugely into payday loans. Any wonder regulations were lax? Reminds me of the woman in Alabama who bought a plain rent to own refrigerator some years ago and ended up paying $10,000 for it before it was all said and done. Guess that's just the free market at work?

We don't need no stinkin regulation!

A poster above mentioned 36%. The APR is over 600%.

http://www.checkcity.com/company/online-rates-and-fees/alabama-rates-fees/
 
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