Men more likely to go back in time and kill Hitler

Aledinho · Apr 9, 2015

Here's a question; if you could go back in time and kill Hitler - likely saving millions of lives - would you do it? Your answer, researchers were surprised to find, might depend on your gender.

I only read the headlines so I am assuming it is due to our superior math and science skills.

Tidewater · Apr 9, 2015

Aledinho said:
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I only read the headlines so I am assuming it is due to our superior math and science skills.

Well, then there's that.

When, exactly? (I would recommend 1918, just to be sure).
National Socialism was, to a certain degree, a function of Hitler's personality, but Germany was a pretty weird place in the 1920s and 1930s, so who knows who would have run that place in Hitler's absence. Maybe a Communist? Would that have been better? Gregor Strasser, the leader of the left National Socialists?
It is possible that, in the absence of Hitler's drive and personality, a liberal democracy would have taken root in Germany, but Germany did not have a long republican tradition, so I doubt it. It took the trauma of the Second World War and Brits and Americans standing on the neck of Germany in combat boots to bring about a regime as liberal as Germany now is. With no Hitler, I would bet Weimar Germany would become some flavor of authoritarian regime anyway. It just may have been a left authoritarian regime, not a right authoritarian regime.

AV8N · Apr 9, 2015

Sounds good, but what if all you accomplish is creating a parallel universe where someone else takes his place?

Or what if, because there is no WWII, your parents/grandparents never meet? No post-war Baby Boom. The result would be sort of the same paradox as going back in time and killing your ancestor.

jthomas666 · Apr 9, 2015

AV8N said:
Sounds good, but what if all you accomplish is creating a parallel universe where someone else takes his place?

Or what if, because there is no WWII, your parents/grandparents never meet? No post-war Baby Boom. The result would be sort of the same paradox as going back in time and killing your ancestor.

Killing Hitler might have prevented some things--the Holocaust, perhaps--but WWII was pretty much inevitable after the Treaty of Versailles.

Bama Reb · Apr 9, 2015

The assumption is that all men would actually want to go back in time, and if they did, it would only be to the time and place of AH, and that it would be to kill him.
Truthfully, if I had the ability to go back in time, it wouldn't be to that time, nor would it be for that purpose. Not that I agree with his philosophy or intentions. It's just that there are (were) better places for me to go and better things I'd rather do.

crimsonaudio · Apr 9, 2015

I'd do it. Heck, if Hitler had been killed in early '45 millions of people that were killed would have lived.

The better answer is change the post-WWI policies that punished Germany financially to the point that Hitler could rise to power. We learned a lot of what NOT to do following WWI and helped rebuild the Axis countries after WWII. That was smart.

NationalTitles18 · Apr 9, 2015

It's not about the nail!

92tide · Apr 9, 2015

yeah, if i could travel back to the 40's, i wouldn't be focused on killing anyone, i'd be focused on hooking up with lauren bacall

Catfish · Apr 9, 2015

92tide said:
yeah, if i could travel back to the 40's, i wouldn't be focused on killing anyone, i'd be focused on hooking up with lauren bacall

My brother from another mother! I commend you on your excellent taste. :wink:

TIDE-HSV · Apr 9, 2015

Tidewater said:
Well, then there's that.

When, exactly? (I would recommend 1918, just to be sure).
National Socialism was, to a certain degree, a function of Hitler's personality, but Germany was a pretty weird place in the 1920s and 1930s, so who knows who would have run that place in Hitler's absence. Maybe a Communist? Would that have been better? Gregor Strasser, the leader of the left National Socialists?
It is possible that, in the absence of Hitler's drive and personality, a liberal democracy would have taken root in Germany, but Germany did not have a long republican tradition, so I doubt it. It took the trauma of the Second World War and Brits and Americans standing on the neck of Germany in combat boots to bring about a regime as liberal as Germany now is. With no Hitler, I would bet Weimar Germany would become some flavor of authoritarian regime anyway. It just may have been a left authoritarian regime, not a right authoritarian regime.

Most don't know that Hitler applied first for membership in the Communist Party - and was rejected. The one NAZI I knew well insisted that it was indeed a socialist regime. When I pointed out that continued influence of Krupp, etc., basically all of Germany's heavy industry, he finally admitted that it was sort of a "shared power" type regime...

2003TIDE · Apr 9, 2015

Would have been more bang for the buck to take out Stalin. Heck Mao killed more than Hitler and Stalin combined.

Tidewater · Apr 9, 2015

TIDE-HSV said:
Most don't know that Hitler applied first for membership in the Communist Party - and was rejected. The one NAZI I knew well insisted that it was indeed a socialist regime. When I pointed out that continued influence of Krupp, etc., basically all of Germany's heavy industry, he finally admitted that it was sort of a "shared power" type regime...

Yes, also interesting is the fact that, as late at 1931, the nature of the National socialist German Workers' Party had not been definitively settled. Strasser was a nationalist, but he emphasized the socialist side of the party. Hitler marginalized him, then had him killed.
With no Hitler, would a Strasser (or somebody else like him) have directed the party in a left-socialist direction?

Bamafaninco1 · Apr 9, 2015

92tide said:
yeah, if i could travel back to the 40's, i wouldn't be focused on killing anyone, i'd be focused on hooking up with lauren bacall

I'm into the lovely and extremely sexy Rita Hayworth, (Gilda).

Relayer · Apr 9, 2015

I hope they didn't spend a lot of money on that study. Amazing how many studies are done to determine an answer that most folks already know.

And, yes, I'd have no problem with doing it.

Catfish · Apr 9, 2015

Bamafaninco1 said:
I'm into the lovely and extremely sexy Rita Hayworth, (Gilda).

Also a very strong choice. But, IMO, a notch below Lauren Bacall and Ingrid Bergman.

cbi1972 · Apr 9, 2015

Catfish said:
Also a very strong choice. But, IMO, a notch below Lauren Bacall and Ingrid Bergman.

TIDE-HSV · Apr 9, 2015

Tidewater said:
Yes, also interesting is the fact that, as late at 1931, the nature of the National socialist German Workers' Party had not been definitively settled. Strasser was a nationalist, but he emphasized the socialist side of the party. Hitler marginalized him, then had him killed.
With no Hitler, would a Strasser (or somebody else like him) have directed the party in a left-socialist direction?

Strasser, like Röhm, knew of Hitler's partial Jewish ancestry. Blackmailing him was a dangerous avocation. He killed them off one by one, although there are rumors that a couple of them managed to survive. I've always been fascinated that he had a law passed, among the other race laws, that only he and Jesus Christ could never be declared to be Jewish...

TIDE-HSV · Apr 9, 2015

Interestingly, my genome shows me to have a tiny slice of Ashkenazim Jewish ancestry, one per cent or so, dwarfed by my Neanderthal ancestry of 3.1 per cent or so...

DzynKingRTR · Apr 9, 2015

Catfish said:
Also a very strong choice. But, IMO, a notch below Lauren Bacall and Ingrid Bergman.

nope Rita was way hotter and a redhead.

DzynKingRTR · Apr 9, 2015

maybe we should just go back in time and let him into art school?

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