40 years ago today -the fall of Saigon...

Bamaro

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The Fall of Saigon was the capture of Saigon, the capital of South Vietnam, by the People’s Army of Vietnam and the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (also known as the Việt Cộng) on April 30, 1975. The event marked the end of the Vietnam War and the start of a transition period leading to the formal reunification of Vietnam into a socialist republic, governed by the Communist Party of Vietnam.

North Vietnamese forces, under the command of the General Văn Tiến Dũng, began their final attack on Saigon, with South Vietnamese forces commanded by General Nguyễn Văn Toàn, on April 29, suffering heavy artillery bombardment. This bombardment at the Tân Sơn Nhứt Airport killed the last two American servicemen to die in Vietnam, Charles McMahon and Darwin Judge. By the afternoon of the next day, North Vietnamese troops had occupied the important points of the city and raised their flag over the South Vietnamese presidential palace. The South Vietnamese government capitulated shortly afterward. The city was renamed Hồ Chí Minh City, after the Democratic Republic's President Hồ Chí Minh.

The fall of the city was preceded by the evacuation of almost all the American civilian and military personnel in Saigon, along with tens of thousands of South Vietnamese civilians associated with the southern regime. The evacuation culminated in Operation Frequent Wind, the largest helicopter evacuation in history. In addition to the flight of refugees, the end of the war and institution of new rules by the communists contributed to a decline in the city’s population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Saigon

BTW, that is not the US embassy as usually reported.
Nixon had promised in President Thieu in January 1973 the US would react if N Vietnam mounted a serious threat after the peace was sighed in Paris. The US had ended all military action in March of 1973. Nixon resigned in August 1974. N Vietnam, who was basically afraid of what Nixon might do, now felt the fear was eliminated and subsequently began a major invasion of S Vietnam ultimately resulting in the fall of Siagon.
 

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I am surprised it took the NVA and Viet Cong as long as it did to rout the South Vietnamese army. What a total waste of lives and money, just like Iraq and Afghanistan a no win situation again. At least the returning Vets from Iraq and Afghanistan have not been treated like criminals as the Vietnam Vets were.

More Vietnam War pics. Hard to believe it has been 40 years since the war ended and over 50 years since it began.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vietnam-photos-that-defined-the-war/ss-BBiSED9
 
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I am surprised it took the NVA and Viet Cong as long as it did to rout the South Vietnamese army. What a total waste of lives and money, just like Iraq and Afghanistan a no win situation again. At least the returning Vets from Iraq and Afghanistan have not been treated like criminals as the Vietnam Vets were.
Like. A no win situation.

Because we needed France as an ally against communism in Europe we supported their colonialism in IndoChina. We should have let the elections after the war take place as promised. Course Uncle Ho would have won the election. The myth of monolithic communism.
 

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Re: 40 years ago today -the fall of Siagon

I am surprised it took the NVA and Viet Cong as long as it did to rout the South Vietnamese army. What a total waste of lives and money, just like Iraq and Afghanistan a no win situation again. At least the returning Vets from Iraq and Afghanistan have not been treated like criminals as the Vietnam Vets were.

More Vietnam War pics. Hard to believe it has been 40 years since the war ended and over 50 years since it began.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vietnam-photos-that-defined-the-war/ss-BBiSED9
They were afraid of Nixon who they thought may be a little crazy. Once he resigned they geared up and swarmed over S Vietnam with a swiftness that surprised most, especially Ambassador Martin who nearly to the end was in denial.
 

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I remembered watching all the news coverage on one of the three tv stations we had. Man forty years, I'm getting old.
 

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I was five, so this is not in my database at all although I'm obviously aware of it.

A colossal waste of money, prestige, and - obviously most importantly - lives. The biggest foreign policy debacle in American history. I recall the 1992 Democratic primaries when the whole story erupted over Clinton dodging the draft. The moment that stood out for me was when Vietnam vet Bob Kerrey responded to a question rather emotionally. He basically got ticked off at the whole thing and snorted that the problem for Clinton wasn't even that he didn't go to Vietnam but that he kept trying to blame the story on others. That was fine - but his next comments were basically (summarizing), "It was the ones who went to Vietnam who suffered when they came home and now all the sympathy in this campaign is going to someone who didn't even go." Kerrey even later admitted that was a tactical error and that you can't get involved in an emotional issue like that when you're running for President.

Here's what has always kind of got me. My wife's late grandfather and entire family served in WW2. Oh the stories he told about being a Navy Seabee.

The only thing I know about my Dad in Vietnam is that his barracks was bombed and the epicenter was in the room next to his. He hid under the bed for four hours fearing that his fellow soldiers were calling him while being held at gunpoint by the VC and he didn't want to be a POW.

He has literally NEVER talked about it - at all - with the family. Never had psych care or anything but my Mom did tell me that she would have to understand if they went out to a restaurant and a fire engine drove past with sirens on that he might react by diving under the table or something. That never happened (or at least they never told me) but he was aware of it.

I've noticed the Nam guys only tell their stories to each other at least in my experience.
 

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I've noticed the Nam guys only tell their stories to each other at least in my experience.
I was in HS, so I remember it well. Plus, I lived in a town next to the largest Air Base in the world at that time, so knew/know a lot of folks who served there in various capacities.

My step-Dad is a retired & decorated fighter pilot, who never had to "fly a desk." He kept a cockpit for his entire career, which is rather unusual from what I hear.

Anyway, we were home a couple of weeks ago & gave him a book _Lords of the Air_. He flipped through it, looked at the pics ("Oh yeah, there's a Thud. Know why it's called a "Thud?" (etc.), & said he's looking forward to reading it in detail. He then shared a couple of stories with us about time in the air over N. Vietnam. Then, rather abruptly, he switched that back off with "Well, that's enough about that" and steered the conversation in a different direction.

Naturally, I knew enough to NOT try to redirect him back to telling more stories. I've seen him get the 1000-yard stare & shed a tear or three while talking of his tours over there & his guys who didn't make it back & how unbelievably hard it is to write this letters that begin, "It is with great regret...".
 

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