Rand Paul planning on forcing the expiration of the Patriot Act tomorrow

crimsonaudio · May 30, 2015

Saw this on FB:

We have a momentous fight coming up in the senate tomorrow. Please read my entire statement on the extension of illegal NSA spying:

I have fought for several years now to end the illegal spying of the NSA on ordinary Americans. The callous use of general warrants and the disregard for the Bill of Rights must end. Forcing us to choose between our rights and our safety is a false choice and we are better than that as a nation and as a people.

That's why two years ago, I sued the NSA. It's why I proposed the Fourth Amendment Protection Act. It's why I have been seeking for months to have a full, open and honest debate on this issue-- a debate that never came.

So last week, seeing proponents of this illegal spying rushing toward a deadline to wholesale renew this unconstitutional power, I filibustered the bill. I spoke for over 10 hours to call attention to the vast expansion of the spy state and the corresponding erosion of our liberties.

Then, last week, I further blocked the extension of these powers and the Senate adjourned for recess rather than stay and debate them.

Tomorrow, we will come back with just hours left before the NSA illegal spying powers expire.

Let me be clear: I acknowledge the need for a robust intelligence agency and for a vigilant national security.

I believe we must fight terrorism, and I believe we must stand strong against our enemies.

But we do not need to give up who we are to defeat them. In fact, we must not.

There has to be another way. We must find it together.

So tomorrow, I will force the expiration of the NSA illegal spy program.

I am ready and willing to start the debate on how we fight terrorism without giving up our liberty.

Sometimes when the problem is big enough, you just have to start over. The tax code and our regulatory burdens are two good examples.

Fighting against unconditional, illegal powers that take away our rights, taken by previous Congresses and administrations is just as important.

I do not do this to obstruct. I do it to build something better, more effective, more lasting, and more cognizant of who we are as Americans.

Tide1986 · May 30, 2015

dWarriors88 · May 30, 2015

So I theorize they'll just continue doing this crap in secret.. Pandora's box has been open, and it can't be closed again, and if they aren't "spying" on us by monitering phone calls, your data usage and history will still be recorded and accessible.

Crimson1967 · May 30, 2015

How is he going to force it to expire?

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Tide1986 · May 30, 2015

Crimson1967 said:
How is he going to force it to expire?

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Filibuster

crimsonaudio · May 30, 2015

Tide1986 said:
Filibuster

Actually, he doesn't have to filibuster at all - he just has to object as the senate rules require unanimous voting to move any vote through quickly. He can drag this until Thursday without a filibuster.

TIDE-HSV · May 30, 2015

This is a remarkable move, really historic move, by a politician. I don't agree with him on all points, but I certainly respect him on this...

BamaPokerplayer · May 30, 2015

Go Rand Go.

hollisx4 · May 31, 2015

Rand doesn't just talk the talk, he walks the walk.

He's been in trouble with the TSA before, http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71818.html.....gotta respect the guy.

Check out his book "Government Bullies" sometime.

CrimsonNagus · May 31, 2015

The Patriot Act needs to go, only gullible Americans believe otherwise. I hope Rand succeeds.

CullmanTide · May 31, 2015

It's about time.

Bamaro · May 31, 2015

I'm not sure whether it needs to go or needs to be modified :conf3:

CrimsonNagus · May 31, 2015

It needs to go, the only thing the act was meant to do was to strip freedoms away in the name of national security.

Elefantman · May 31, 2015

RollTide1017 said:
It needs to go, the only thing the act was meant to do was to strip freedoms away in the name of national security.

And that's why the new NSA bill is called "USA Freedom Act "

GreatDanish · May 31, 2015

Rand Paul must hate security. How could we be secure without the Patriot Act?

Bama Reb · May 31, 2015

Sometimes when the problem is big enough, you just have to start over. The tax code and our regulatory burdens are two good examples.

Fighting against unconditional, illegal powers that take away our rights, taken by previous Congresses and administrations is just as important.

I do not do this to obstruct. I do it to build something better, more effective, more lasting, and more cognizant of who we are as Americans.

I sometimes think this could be said of the entire US Government.

Crimson1967 · May 31, 2015

If the Patriot Act dies, the government will no longer be able to legally spy on us. So how do we stop them from illegally spying on us?

Bama Reb · May 31, 2015

Crimson1967 said:
If the Patriot Act dies, the government will no longer be able to legally spy on us. So how do we stop them from illegally spying on us?

Even if they are caught, what can you do? Have them arrested?

crimsonaudio · May 31, 2015

Crimson1967 said:
If the Patriot Act dies, the government will no longer be able to legally spy on us. So how do we stop them from illegally spying on us?

Not sure what the answer is to that question, but I know for certain we can stop them from doing it 'legally'. That's a good first step.

dWarriors88 · Jun 1, 2015

Crimson1967 said:
If the Patriot Act dies, the government will no longer be able to legally spy on us. So how do we stop them from illegally spying on us?

This is why I said pandora's box has been opened. They will continue their data mining programs. They aren't ready to take over the government, but after Utah data centers are built and new data mining software is made, they could essentially self-fund by manipulating stock market, currency exchanges using inside info (by reading discussions between CEOs and shareholders) and then get into the politics rigging game, by helping elect people who are supportive of them, while throwing dirt on opposition. Then eventually they could just make .... up and charge people with crimes simply cause everyone assumes that data collected by NSA is not compromised. Like if NSA says you been helping Bin Laden and prepare a 100 page report with emails, bank transactions, phone calls - good luck proving they made it up

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