Link: Let The QB Battle Begin (and other Fall Camp discussion)...

RTR91 · Aug 8, 2015

Redwood Forrest said:
I seem to remember John Parker Wilson winning the starting spot because of his hard work, endless hours watching film and etc. I haven't seen that mentioned here so I'll throw into the experience/talent debate the "who is working the hardest" to become the best. Coach can see this just like with JPW.

When Saban arrived, JPW already had a year as a starter. He also was the only upperclassman at the position.

Chukker Veteran · Aug 8, 2015

I'm not suggesting it's the case this season, but I can imagine a situation where there isn't clear starter. Say for example, one quarterback has a killer two minute game while the other one has better success with long sustained drives (perhaps by being a better runner himself.)

In that situation, putting the best talent on the field would depend on how the game is going at the time... do we need a quick score or would it be better to grind out the clock.

Charleston · Aug 8, 2015

JustNeedMe81 said:
Honestly, the debates about the past quarterback is a moot point. What happened last year was a unique situation. CNS and others were expecting Coker to take over the starting job and then Sims just woke up and took the world by storm... Thats not a knock on Coker or anything... Coker got some significant playing time last year and it'll be a huge advantage for him coming into the fall camp. We will be fine with Coker or Cornwell... or Bateman. Coker improved throughout the season and in the offseason and clearly.. Cornwell is fighting him to the final and I dont think we'll know the starter until the day of the game. Even then, we still won't know for sure. Personally, I rather Barnett to sit this season and learn from the guy, but I don't think that will happen, because Cornwell and Barnett will get some experience in the game this year and it'll help them next year.

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Charleston · Aug 8, 2015

OK ... Stop it. This makes too much sense.

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KrAzY3 · Aug 8, 2015

TideWatcher said:
those are encouraging notes; I do however think that the worry with Coker is when the rush comes, recognition, and progressions. 7 on 7 he looks great. I hope he does great; guess the scrimmages in camp will be the defining moments.

I started paying attention to Coker when he was at FSU, after the rumors started of his transferring to Alabama. He clearly had potential, but he also has room for improvement. I thought he'd come in and take over the job, I felt that was the plan, but I also found myself defending Sims a lot vs. the people that were overplaying Coker's abilities. Yes, Sims had a couple shaky A-Days, but on the field his numbers were actually a bit better than Coker's. However! Now I'm on the other side, Coker showed development and improvement, if that was the case again then I think he'll be a good starter.

I think a lot of people forget Coker had a season ending injury in 2013 and this had to have hurt his development a bit. He had to kind of tie rehab to adjusting to a new school and coordinator, he just didn't make that leap as cleanly as I guess everyone might have liked. However, just compare these:
2014 Completion %: 64.4 Yards: 403 TDs:4 INT:0 SACKS:3
2013 Completion %: 50.0 Yards: 250 TDs:0 INT:1 SACKS:5

That's across the board improvement. I fail to see why people are worried about him. Also, if you want to see how solid those stats are, that's a better season leading up to starting than AJ, Blake or GMacc had. Only GMac had a better completion percentage, but he only attempted 11 passes (one of those an INT), Coker threw for more yards, more TDs, and had a good rating.

TIDE-HSV · Aug 8, 2015

TheTradition said:
I don't think Saban would ever do that. He might say he would, but I doubt it. I haven't seen many successful two QB systems. There are a few exceptions, but most of the time when you play two, it's because you don't have one. QB is a position that relays on leadership and confidence, and it's hard to have either of these if you're not out there all the time.

I personally don't think we're gonna have this problem. From what I've heard, Coker had a very good summer and is supposedly much improved. I've watched a few practice videos, and while I realize that 15 minutes of glorified warm ups means almost nothing, he looks more comfortable and more consistent. His release seems to have tightened up considerably as well. Hopefully, he can carry it over to the scrimmage next Saturday. If he can't get it done, I'm sure we can find someone that will.

Well, he did it at LSU and also we started out that way AJ's first year. I do get the impression he doesn't like it at all...

TiderJack · Aug 8, 2015

TIDE-HSV said:
Well, he did it at LSU and also we started out that way AJ's first year. I do get the impression he doesn't like it at all...

I don't think he does either. Coach Saban has the old school NFL mentality where one QB plays and plays late into games even when winning by big margins in some cases. I don't see a platoon situation past the 1st or 2nd game if at all.

TideWatcher · Aug 8, 2015

I certainly hope you are correct; hard not to worry, that's what fans do!

KrAzY3 said:
I started paying attention to Coker when he was at FSU, after the rumors started of his transferring to Alabama. He clearly had potential, but he also has room for improvement. I thought he'd come in and take over the job, I felt that was the plan, but I also found myself defending Sims a lot vs. the people that were overplaying Coker's abilities. Yes, Sims had a couple shaky A-Days, but on the field his numbers were actually a bit better than Coker's. However! Now I'm on the other side, Coker showed development and improvement, if that was the case again then I think he'll be a good starter.

I think a lot of people forget Coker had a season ending injury in 2013 and this had to have hurt his development a bit. He had to kind of tie rehab to adjusting to a new school and coordinator, he just didn't make that leap as cleanly as I guess everyone might have liked. However, just compare these:
2014 Completion %: 64.4 Yards: 403 TDs:4 INT:0 SACKS:3
2013 Completion %: 50.0 Yards: 250 TDs:0 INT:1 SACKS:5

That's across the board improvement. I fail to see why people are worried about him. Also, if you want to see how solid those stats are, that's a better season leading up to starting than AJ, Blake or GMacc had. Only GMac had a better completion percentage, but he only attempted 11 passes (one of those an INT), Coker threw for more yards, more TDs, and had a good rating.

Redwood Forrest · Aug 8, 2015

RTR91 said:
When Saban arrived, JPW already had a year as a starter. He also was the only upperclassman at the position.

It may have been another QB. I do remember some QB (whom I hoped would not be the starter) won the position because of his work ethic.

beatthemtigers · Aug 9, 2015

81usaf92 said:
You indirectly brought Winston into the discussion by making the crack " isn't Coker like a 10th year senior". Really his two real opportunities to take a job were against Winston and Blake sims, and to act like anyone could've beaten either out is just lunacy. Coker has had tough competition.

I'm not going to argue the " if it's close then the tie should go to the younger guy" argument because ever since that story about Cornwell taking 1st string snaps during the second scrimmage a lot of people are putting all their chips on that argument and aren't budging. So it's almost pointless to try to sway people on that point. But weren't Blake and jake close last year??? Irony

I really don't have a side in this argument because the sims vs mccaron and the jake vs Blake discussions really turned ugly amongst fans so I don't think I will overly care who ultimately wins as long as they get CNS and clk's graces. If you are asking for my prediction I would say jake only because I don't see tons of separation either way and CNS in the past has gone with the upperclassman. But if Cornwell, Barnett, or bobby joe wins the job I'm still going to support them like I would support Coker if he wins the job, and I'm not going to be upset at all if my prediction is totally wrong

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BubbaOne · Aug 9, 2015

The QB start is Coker's to lose. I believe Morris is right behind Coker with Barnwell a close third. Ideally, Coker starts, we play well enough for both Morris and Barnwell to get meaningful snaps so we can avoid
this every year "who starts at QB". I believe CNS prefers to redshirt Barnett. We have a good history of QB's playing all year without injury; let's hope that streak continues.

CrimsonForce · Aug 9, 2015

BubbaOne said:
The QB start is Coker's to lose. I believe Morris is right behind Coker with Barnwell a close third. Ideally, Coker starts, we play well enough for both Morris and Barnwell to get meaningful snaps so we can avoid
this every year "who starts at QB". I believe CNS prefers to redshirt Barnett. We have a good history of QB's playing all year without injury; let's hope that streak continues.

I haven't heard of Barnwell before. Good to know we have another QB on the roster..

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DzynKingRTR · Aug 9, 2015

CrimsonForce said:
I haven't heard of Barnwell before. Good to know we have another QB on the roster..

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we have perfected the cloning technique and have used the DNA of Cornwell and Barnett to create a super QB. We will next create a super receiver name Coopones and a runningback named RichIngcey.

CrimSonami · Aug 9, 2015

CrimsonForce said:
I haven't heard of Barnwell before. Good to know we have another QB on the roster..

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That's our combination QB. Sorta like Georgia's Gurshall running back a couple years ago. :wink:

CajunCrimson · Aug 9, 2015

DzynKingRTR said:
we have perfected the cloning technique and have used the DNA of Cornwell and Barnett to create a super QB. We will next create a super receiver name Coopones and a runningback named RichIngcey.

I would prefer you make an Alexeldonry....if we are making requests...

DzynKingRTR · Aug 9, 2015

CajunCrimson said:
I would prefer you make an Alexeldonry....if we are making requests...

Saban does like using 2

CrimsonForce · Aug 9, 2015

Some reaction from today's open practice..

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