Alabama Governor Orders Confederate Flag Removed

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indeed, them fancy pants elitists cant tell us strong independent folk what to do



And right on cue... you provide Exhibit A in terms of exactly what I'm talking about.


The north had slaves too. The Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. Never even a national flag, therefore the myth that this flag flew over a slave nation or represented racism is a false one. Those that vilify the CBF have simply jumped on a band wagon.

The U.S. flag flew over a slave nation for 85 years. The north tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division of Labor. It wasn't until the South decided to leave that the North objected to slavery. Sherman had slaves that served him until well after the war was over. The war began over state's rights.... not slavery, and not that flag.

Personally, I can see how some may view it as offensive. I'm offended by a lot things these days. Shall we all make a list and wipe out everything that anyone finds offensive? I'm in.

I can also see how someone could view the American flag as a symbol of racism, Xenocide, betrayal, and a host of other atrocities if Native American Indian, for example. And you can bet that one is next.

You see, there's a lot of people out there right now that know darn well that this drugged up nutjob didn't go into that church and senselessly murder those people because of that flag, they're just trying to convince you that's what they believe so they can further the agenda that had already began. And the states are falling right in line. It's called socialism....a term which I'm confident you leftists are familiar with already.
 

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Trivial point, but the "stars and bars" was the name of the First National (pictured above). It was replaced because on the battlefield of 1st Manassa's, if there was no wind, it was difficult to distinguish from the Stars and Stripes. So Gus Beauregard asked William Porcher Miles to have a new battle flag made.
Interesting info, thanks.

Shelby Foote, also of Memphis, noted that southerners let "yay-hoos" use that flag during the struggle over desegregation and they permanently lost the battle of its meaning.
I think this is accurate - based on what I've read it appears that the racists of mid-20th century adopted the flag as a single-purpose symbol.
 

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And right on cue... you provide Exhibit A in terms of exactly what I'm talking about.


The Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. Never even a national flag, therefore the myth that this flag flew over a slave nation or represented racism is a false one. Those that vilify the CBF have simply jumped on a band wagon.
and that same flag was/is used as the primary/prominent symbol of white supremacy for the past 100+ years.
 

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and that same flag was/is used as the primary/prominent symbol of white supremacy for the past 100+ years.

I vehemently disagree. That's the same as saying that the black flag of ISIS was/is used as the primary/prominent symbol of Muslim hatred for Christians, Jews, and all non-muslims since about 2013. That would be casting a broad brush over all Muslims, and I'd appreciate it if we refrained from that type of bigotry and intolerance....


Now, about that racist, Xenophobic American flag... what should people do about it? Just burn 'em and go about their business?
 

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I vehemently disagree. That's the same as saying that the black flag of ISIS was/is used as the primary/prominent symbol of Muslim hatred for Christians, Jews, and all non-muslims since about 2013. That would be casting a broad brush over all Muslims, and I'd appreciate it if we refrained from that type of bigotry and intolerance....


Now, about that racist, Xenophobic American flag... what should people do about it? Just burn 'em and go about their business?
well, history disagrees with you.
 

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well, history disagrees with you.

Political correctness, white guilt, liberal politicians trying to get Democratic votes, and people that wake up every day looking for something to be offended by disagree with me.

The Constitution and the 1st Amendment agree with me. Deal with it.
 

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Why not? Unlike SC, where their presence was mandated by the legislature, they were placed there by executive order in the first place. Folsom took them down. Patterson left them down. Wallace put them back up and no governor since, until Bentley, has taken them down. In the present atmosphere, I'd be surprised if the legislature ordered the replacement of them...
Correct. In Alabama, the Governor has that authority. We've had to do some research on the topic this week.

WSFA provided a timeline of the flags for those interested.

Here's a timeline of the history of Confederate flags on the Alabama Capitol grounds:

March 4, 1961: The “Stars and Bars” flag was raised over the Capitol during a ceremony sponsored by the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy as part of the Civil War Centennial. The flag was raised during the ceremony and removed at the end of the celebration.

April 25, 1963: The Confederate Naval Jack flag was raised over the Capitol on the day when Attorney General Robert Kennedy met Gov. George Wallace inside the Capitol. It wasn't removed after this visit.

During this time, the American flag was flown from a flag pole on the south lawn. The Alabama flag and Confederate Naval Jack were on the dome.

1975: Alvin Holmes filed suit to require the American flag be flown from the highest position. A federal district court said the Flag Code suggests, but does not require, the American flag to be flown from the highest position.

Wallace made the decision to fly the U.S. flag from the highest point. The Alabama flag was below it followed by the Confederate Naval Jack.

1976: Alvin Holmes filed a suit against Wallace and others to prohibit the flying of the Confederate flag over the Capitol. The federal district court ruled against Holmes.

1988: The NAACP, Alvin Holmes and others filed a lawsuit against Gov. Guy Hunt seeking to remove the Confederate battle flag from the State Capitol grounds. The district court again ruled against Holmes.

Late 1980s-Early 1990s: The Alabama Capitol was flying the U.S., Alabama and Confederate battle flags. All three were taken down due to a massive renovation of the capitol in the early 1990s.

Alvin Holmes and other legislators filed a third lawsuit using a different argument than the first two (1976 and 1988). They argued that an Alabama law from 1975 doesn't allow for the flying of any flag above the Capitol other than the U.S. and Alabama flags.

Jan. 4, 1993: Circuit Judge William Gordon rules in favor of Alvin Holmes. Judge ordered Alabama law allows only the state and national flag be flown over Alabama's capitol and enjoined the governor from raising the Confederate, or any other flag.

Gov. Folsom didn't appeal the judge's ruling.

Late 1990s-Early 2000s: Gov. Don Siegelman made a provision that when the state restored the Confederate Memorial Monument it would be appropriate to fly Confederate flags for historical display. Four flags of the confederacy were raised on the north grounds of the Capitol. Three of the flags are the national flags of the Confederacy and the final flag is the Confederate battle flag, according to Ed Bridges with the Alabama Department of Archives and History.
Side note: Folsom's first executive order as governor was about the flag being removed from the capitol dome.
 

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he is a victim of obama's leftist pc mind ray

really, this is just another false flag operation by the liberals to distract attention from benghazi
Gotta get Hillary elected and we can't have the albatross of Benghazi hanging around her neck...or the President's for that matter. But hey, tuck yourself into that nice little liberal bed of yours and don't worry...the government is here to protect you. You forgot about TPP and gun control among massive spending...but hey, who am I to judge the most transparent President ever.
 

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Political correctness, white guilt, liberal politicians trying to get Democratic votes, and people that wake up every day looking for something to be offended by disagree with me.

The Constitution and the 1st Amendment agree with me. Deal with it.
i don't even know what you are talking about now.

if you are trying to say that the klan, the ccc, the states fighting the feds to maintain segregation, and various other white supremacists didn't/don't use the confederate flag as a symbol of their movements, you are wrong.
 

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To even further emphasize the point I've been trying to make, see below:

Outcast Voters League calls for removal of Linn Park's Confederate soldiers & sailors monument
The President of the Outcast Voters League is calling for the removal of the Confederate Soldiers & Sailors Monument at Linn Park.
Frank James Mathews will hold a news conference Tuesday afternoon in front of the monument to voice his concerns.
....Mathews plans to attend the next city council meeting and ask Mayor William Bell and council members to remove the confederate monument that was erected and dedicated in Linn Park on April 26, 1905
http://www.abc3340.com/story/293879...-sailors-monument-in-linn-park#at_pco=cfd-1.0

It's exactly as I've been saying all along. These people are never happy. They will always be offended at something, and won't be satisfied until there's not a single item of "our" American history left.
 

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I will completely jump on board with the removal of the confederate flag once America outlaws the picketing of soldiers funerals by Westboro Baptist Church. WBC does this under free speech. So if they have a right to symbolize hatred freely then why doesnt everyone else. The biggest difference is politicians and activists know that everyone is against them and there is no press in destroying a small cult in Wichita Kansas.

To be clear Im not against any race, and I have friends from many diffrent races other than my own. But my issue is that America is very selective in whose rights should be protected and whose rights should be taken. I understand that some take the CSA battle flag as a racist symbol, but it doesnt mean the government should take away everyone's right to have it. Now it should be taken down from all government establishments just for the simple fact it isnt a state,city, or country that anyone lives in. And also this thing is going way too far in banning things. Now there is a guy going on the news who wants to do away with Thomas Jefferson Statues becasue he owned slaves.
http://www.infowars.com/cnn-host-suggests-taking-down-racist-jefferson-statues/

Never have, never will sport anything with the CSA flag(s) but I think denying people's right to do so is wrong.
 

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